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4 hours ago, stbugs said:

Some good reason to be optimistic but like they side, on paper. Hopefully, we are building to 2022. Tampa is going to be hard to catch with their ridiculous continuity. I hope this is a growth, figure out the final weak spots and maybe challenge for a playoff spot like 2014 when we got our OL together and made a run.

I can't agree with that "ridiculous continuity" statement.

It's a common idea that each SB champ will be the next year's favorite to repeat.  But as this list shows, it doesn't work out that way;

https://www.topendsports.com/events/super-bowl/winners-list.htm

No repeaters in the last 10 years! If anything, THAT's continuity -- the inability to repeat.  In fact, only 3 of those last 10 winners even GOT to the SB the next season.  Why?  Complacency, salaries, trades, parity through drafting?  Who knows; but it is a trend, not an outlier that SB winners don't repeat, regardless of "experts" forecasts.

I grant you that Tom Brady has won 4 of the last 10, but that's HIS continuity, not the team's.  Anyway, don't anoint them just yet.

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9 minutes ago, bigdavis said:

I can't agree with that "ridiculous continuity" statement.

It's a common idea that each SB champ will be the next year's favorite to repeat.  But as this list shows, it doesn't work out that way;

https://www.topendsports.com/events/super-bowl/winners-list.htm

No repeaters in the last 10 years! If anything, THAT's continuity -- the inability to repeat.  In fact, only 3 of those last 10 winners even GOT to the SB the next season.  Why?  Complacency, salaries, trades, parity through drafting?  Who knows; but it is a trend, not an outlier that SB winners don't repeat, regardless of "experts" forecasts.

I grant you that Tom Brady has won 4 of the last 10, but that's HIS continuity, not the team's.  Anyway, don't anoint them just yet.

Of course getting to the Super Bowl is extraordinarily difficult, getting back is even more so with every opponent looking to knock off the champs.

However, Tampa has taken the first important step in their goal of returning to the championship game:

... the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' main task during the off-season was to 'keep the band together,' which they accomplished in unprecedented fashion.

All 22 starting players who took the field against the Chiefs will be back in action in Florida next season. The likes of TE Rob Gronkowski, MLB Lavonte David, WR Antonio Brown and RB Leonard Fournette (and many more) all signed back on for another crack at the Super Bowl, with QB Tom Brady at the helm.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers-draft-picks-2021-who-buccaneers-pick-full-list-selections

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2 hours ago, rayzor said:

hurney and rivera bragged about having 20 of 22 starters returning. that's continuity.

what was the problem? half of them shouldn't have been starting.

continuity can be good, but it can also be bad if what you are trying to continue is ineffective or mediocre.

Don't forget the continuity of going with Shula after Ron's first OC left. That was supposed to have been better for Cam instead of bringing in someone from outside the team.

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2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Continuity is not always good? What could that possibly mean? 

It means exactly that; it isn't always a good thing. I didn't never I said not always - there is a difference. Yeah they were good last year and, no doubt, will be again but I seriously doubt they were so good no changes were needed. There was a book that came out years ago call 'if it aint broke break it". Basically it preached to always challenge the status quo if you want to get better. So again, I don't believe continuity is always good.

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1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Unless they've got Trask scheduled for an arm transplant I'm not too worried.

Yeah, his stats without Pitts were just meh...

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2 hours ago, stbugs said:

I’m sorry, but I like their chances way better for 2021. You’re a blind homer if you like our chances better. 

I'm no homer I can assure you. I like how the FO was aggressive in addressing all the needs but like you state, the odds of everyone working out are very remote. That doesn't mean that we won't be a much improved team though and I do like our chances against them much better today than last year.  

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1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

Don't forget the continuity of going with Shula after Ron's first OC left. That was supposed to have been better for Cam instead of bringing in someone from outside the team.

great example! i don't have a problem with continuity, though I'm more a fan of adaptation and evolution and continually trying to get better. 

if you're doing something right, keep doing it until it doesn't work anymore.

if it's not working out so great, though....move on. in that context, continuity is overrated.

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1 minute ago, rayzor said:

great example! i don't have a problem with continuity, though I'm more a fan of adaptation and evolution and continually trying to get better. 

if you're doing something right, keep doing it until it doesn't work anymore.

if it's not working out so great, though....move on. in that context, continuity is overrated.

Well said.

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1 hour ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Of course getting to the Super Bowl is extraordinarily difficult, getting back is even more so with every opponent looking to knock off the champs.

However, Tampa has taken the first important step in their goal of returning to the championship game:

... the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' main task during the off-season was to 'keep the band together,' which they accomplished in unprecedented fashion.

All 22 starting players who took the field against the Chiefs will be back in action in Florida next season. The likes of TE Rob Gronkowski, MLB Lavonte David, WR Antonio Brown and RB Leonard Fournette (and many more) all signed back on for another crack at the Super Bowl, with QB Tom Brady at the helm.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers-draft-picks-2021-who-buccaneers-pick-full-list-selections

the question is, how long are they going to be able to keep that aging band together and just how effective will they be as time goes on?

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1 hour ago, bigdavis said:

I can't agree with that "ridiculous continuity" statement.

It's a common idea that each SB champ will be the next year's favorite to repeat.  But as this list shows, it doesn't work out that way;

https://www.topendsports.com/events/super-bowl/winners-list.htm

No repeaters in the last 10 years! If anything, THAT's continuity -- the inability to repeat.  In fact, only 3 of those last 10 winners even GOT to the SB the next season.  Why?  Complacency, salaries, trades, parity through drafting?  Who knows; but it is a trend, not an outlier that SB winners don't repeat, regardless of "experts" forecasts.

I grant you that Tom Brady has won 4 of the last 10, but that's HIS continuity, not the team's.  Anyway, don't anoint them just yet.

and i know it may seem like it, but brady is not immortal.

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4 hours ago, classics said:

Continuity is not always a good thing. Age WILL eventually get to Brady and everyone will be gunning for them this year. Needless to say they will still be good but I like our chances better after the FA signings and draft.

It will but he could get a few more rings before that retirement hits unfortunately.

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