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Some good reason to be optimistic but like they side, on paper. Hopefully, we are building to 2022. Tampa is going to be hard to catch with their ridiculous continuity. I hope this is a growth, figure out the final weak spots and maybe challenge for a playoff spot like 2014 when we got our OL together and made a run.

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29 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Some good reason to be optimistic but like they side, on paper. Hopefully, we are building to 2022. Tampa is going to be hard to catch with their ridiculous continuity. I hope this is a growth, figure out the final weak spots and maybe challenge for a playoff spot like 2014 when we got our OL together and made a run.

Continuity is not always a good thing. Age WILL eventually get to Brady and everyone will be gunning for them this year. Needless to say they will still be good but I like our chances better after the FA signings and draft.

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17 minutes ago, classics said:

Continuity is not always a good thing. Age WILL eventually get to Brady and everyone will be gunning for them this year. Needless to say they will still be good but I like our chances better after the FA signings and draft.

Continuity is not always good? What could that possibly mean? It’s not good that the OL knows what they should do on every play? It’s not good that the WRs and QBs are used to each other?

I’m sorry, but I like their chances way better for 2021. You’re a blind homer if you like our chances better. This goes back to the old hope of the draft. There is a tiny chance, as some have mentioned, that we pull 6 starters from the draft. There is a tiny chance that the OL is fixed and our FA OL play at a level they’ve never played at before.

I like our draft and some of the FAs, but the chance that it all works out this year instantly is very slim. All Tampa has to do is avoid injuries. Look at our 2016, even with the decimation of our OL (one starter played the correct spot all year, were down to 3rd string C, had Remmers at LT, etc.) and other injuries we were a Ganope away from 9-7/10-6. That’s what an already talented team gets you. Had our OL been healthy, we make the playoffs again like 2017.

We in 2021 aren’t there yet and Tampa is. I’d take the odds with established NFL talent every day over hoping FAs and rookies play at a high level. Don’t get me wrong, Brady will retire at some point and I like our future, especially if we can get good OL play, but a lucky with injuries Tampa has this division.

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8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Continuity is not always good? What could that possibly mean?

hurney and rivera bragged about having 20 of 22 starters returning. that's continuity.

what was the problem? half of them shouldn't have been starting.

continuity can be good, but it can also be bad if what you are trying to continue is ineffective or mediocre.

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5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

hurney and rivera bragged about having 20 of 22 starters returning. that's continuity.

what was the problem? half of them shouldn't have been starting.

continuity can be good, but it can also be bad if what you are trying to continue is ineffective or mediocre.

also the question is if they can avoid the injury bug like they did last year

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32 minutes ago, rayzor said:

hurney and rivera bragged about having 20 of 22 starters returning. that's continuity.

what was the problem? half of them shouldn't have been starting.

continuity can be good, but it can also be bad if what you are trying to continue is ineffective or mediocre.

They won the SB, obviously Tampa has a good lineup. Continuity is a good thing. Let’s not try to act like we are talking about the least talented team returning 22 starters. Continuity would still be good there but the talent is poo. Continuity can allow a healthy OL to play better than they are.

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29 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

also the question is if they can avoid the injury bug like they did last year

Exactly, it takes some luck to win a SB but if they can stay healthy, Tampa is contending.

I can’t believe people are trying to argue that continuity is a bad thing by mixing it up with talent. Remmers starting at LT year after year is bad because he’s not a good LT, but he’ll play better next to a G he knows will pickup properly on a stunt or knows that he’s weaker on an inside rush than outside so he’ll provide help rather than a G who doesn’t know how to pick up for Remmers inadequacies.

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Guess Shi Smith isn't as much a sleeper as I thought. All he does is catch anything thrown at him and he had a terrible QB.

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1 hour ago, rippadonn said:

Yeah, not happy about Tampa. They've basically got (statistically)a beast in Kyle Trask watching learning and waiting behind Brady. 

Unless they've got Trask scheduled for an arm transplant I'm not too worried.

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I'm glad we invested a late round pick to get the best collegiate long snapper. I get why everyone is joking about it, but it's just due to their outmoded thinking. We need to hit a homerun on JJ Jansen's replacement. We've been spoiled for over a decade, and long snapper isn't something you can just sign a guy off the street for if you want anywhere near the continuity/performance we've enjoyed.  

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47 minutes ago, stbugs said:

They won the SB, obviously Tampa has a good lineup. Continuity is a good thing. Let’s not try to act like we are talking about the least talented team returning 22 starters. Continuity would still be good there but the talent is poo. Continuity can allow a healthy OL to play better than they are.

and continuity can allow a bad OL to continue being bad.

Continuity can be a good thing. it can also be a bad thing. it depends on the context and what you are trying to continue. hurney and JR thrived on continuity....and that got us stuck.

Tampa is going to depend on their ability to continue doing next year what they did last year. they found a formula that works.

We rarely found something that worked...and when we did we either shot ourselves in the foot and dismantled everything (2014 vs 2015) or kept trying to do the the same thing over and over because it worked once upon a time even though it had ceased working (the whole fox era). typically our continuity resulted in a continuation of mediocrity. 

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1 hour ago, rippadonn said:

Yeah, not happy about Tampa. They've basically got (statistically)a beast in Kyle Trask watching learning and waiting behind Brady. 

how many QBs followed in Brady's shoes over the years and became a dominant force themselves?

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