PFF says the Panthers have the 31st ranked OL corp in the NFL this year

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, Madwolf said:

That feels low. I don't expect our offensive line to improve by any large measure this year, lots of new faces, but I also don't believe we're that bad either.

I'd put the Panthers around the better worst 1/3rd of offensive lines at the moment.

I think we are a safe bet to rate very lowly before the season. We made some ho-hum signings in free agency and then we added predominately lower rated and lower drafted prospects.

We just have to see if we can get something out of this hodgepodge of underachieving and underrated guys.

I definitely don't have any butthurt about us being ranked very low. The majority of the line is in the "prove it" category. Completely understandable.

We just don't want that to be the case after Game 17.

[SBBlue]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

underachieving and underrated guys.

Yes and yes.

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 The majority of the line is in the "prove it" category. Completely understandable.

We just don't want that to be the case after Game 17.

Yup.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, SBBlue said:

Yes and yes.

Yup.

I will say that although the quality of our starters may not be very good as a unit, I do think we won't have the same level of drop off as in 2020 when the injuries start piling up.

[SBBlue]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I will say that although the quality of our starters may not be very good as a unit, I do think we won't have the same level of drop off as in 2020 when the injuries start piling up.

I wonder if that was a priority in this draft class, some type of durability measure based on number of starts/injuries etc.

 

[RJK]

Don’t they know Christensen Moore and brown are all future HOFers?

[onmyown]

2 hours ago, Riverboat Ron said:

At least we're not last...

Highly contemplating buying a Panther jersey with this on the back.

[Panthercougar68]

Vegas says our win total is 7.5 which Is average so I assume most smart people see the team/line as average. I trust that over PFF.

[KatsAzz]

The Panthers carried a large number of developmental projects on the practice squad last year, so it will be up  to the coaches to have some of these players ready for a back up role.

They'll want to bring back those practice squad lineman and give them an actual offseason and maybe some preseason games to see if any of them develop.

If those guys could become viable depth pieces, it would be a significant benefit to roster construction.

As they head into the start up of the 2021 season, the Panthers' offensive line, especially the left side is most certainly still under construction.

Edited June 7, 2021 by KatsAzz

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Vegas says our win total is 7.5 which Is average so I assume most smart people see the team/line as average. I trust that over PFF.

PFF has us at 7.7 avg wins

[Basbear]

Right side alone should have the panthers in 20s. PFF has NO CLUE AT ALL what the responsibility, play call, or adjustments for OL each snap. Guessing on grading much like all of their grading. The same PFF that ranked Dallas #2 WR when they had the following receiving yards weeks 6-17= 

247

59 (fuging RLOLs)

132 (LOL)

220

196

187 (jesus)

277

171 (my god are we sure these are not rushing stats??)

204

362(finally one close to league average)

199

"You see Bas PFF does this cause stats" bullshit. PFF - "Bills WR has 80.78 high point grade and its supported by his separation grade of 67.59." They also use their rookie ranking to project in these ranking as well, so its not stats or understanding their guess at grading. Im going to quit wasting my time with PFF since I understand its Bullshit. Same gos for trying to help others see the layers of fraud. PFF is only a tiny bit ok if you have no idea about the player or team. Like a person thats never followed any football and is getting fresh/green into NFL. 

 

 

[chknwing]

2 hours ago, WestPanthers said:

And that's how the ignore function use for this forum. He's such a pessimistic and just the cancer of this forum. 

dude has been banned so many times and has so many alt nicks.  he is a cockroach that never goes away.

[SBBlue]

24 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Wait, you agree that most of the OL is in the prove it category and hence why we are ranked low? What the heck are you arguing about? I said the same damn thing.

Did you read  his post.   Some are underachieving and some are UNDERATED.

The pff score is a wildly inaccurate guess in a spreadsheet.  They don't even know who to grade or how to rate the rookies.  At this point it has no bearing in reality.

 

[L-TownCat]

I’m not sure how you judge a line that’s never played together.

Until I see them suck I won’t get my panties twisted.

[SBBlue]

39 minutes ago, stbugs said:

JFC dude, PFF did a ranking based on who they thought were the current starters. That’s it. You are seriously acting like they beat your dog.

All of those players are ranked 63 or below, down to 48. Only Moton is considered an above average starter. The rest are all average or below average. It’s not a wild guess, it’s very straightforward based on who they think are our starters and if they plug in Miller or Daley or Erving or Scott it really doesn’t change much. They aren’t considering rookies if they’re not likely starters hence the Jets guy is used and Christensen is not.

Moton and Paradis are locked in starters. Erving and Elflein are the only other OL making more than $1.6M a year and the only non-rookie deal OL with more than a year on their contract. They are averaging $4.5-5M a year or 3-5 times the salary of the non-locks. They are pencilled in as starters on the left and Daley or Miller is pencilled in at RG. Tucker for the Jets was taken in the 1st, he’s an assumed starter. None of our rookies are yet. Again, really simple.

Also, LOL at hedging. Hedging what? Is there a bet on this. Would I somehow be wrong about something? This is a preseason ranking based on current starters. Their numbers are correct based on our current assumed starters. Answer this riddle? Is Christensen the starter? Could he be a starter later on in the season? Amazing how easy that is and amazing how worked up you are getting trying to act like this means something and is anything more than PFF taking last years rankings for the starting 5 and saying here’s what we think.

I gotta be honest thats a lot of words, sorry I'm not reading all that.

Under RR, I'd agree with you.  Vets and investments start.  Those days are gone.

Is Ian Thomas our starting Tight End because he's paid more than Dan Arnold and Tremble this year?