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Athletic - Sam Darnold Film Analysis


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3 hours ago, hepcat said:

Let’s be real. Jake wasn’t a good QB. Jake was an average QB who had a great supporting cast around him. But what Jake had in spades was moxie and the ability to make clutch throws. If the game was on the line, Jake was gonna make it happen for you. That’s where he was great. 

He benefited greatly from having prime Steve Smith, veteran Mushin Muhammad, and maybe the most clutch WR ever in Ricky Proehl. As his WR corp declined, so did he. 

He had a roided up O-Line the year they went to the Super Bowl. And probably a better O-Line in general every season he played than Cam Newton ever had. 

And let’s not forget how potent the running game was at times to support him. 

I loved watching Jake play. He was a great dude and it was easy rooting for him. But I’m not looking back and saying he was a good QB. He was a guy who could do just enough to win you a game if the team around him was good enough. 

Jake wasn't elite, but he was good and he did well enough in games where he didn't have the greatest personnel around. For example the 2004 season. The only reliable guy he had was Moose. The rest was hurt early or was some flash in the pan smiling goof named Keary Colbert. Still managed to pull off nearly 3900 yards passing, 29 TDs and 15 Ints. 

 

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11 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

Wikipedia defines a gunslinger as ...

"Term for a quarterback who plays in an aggressive and decisive manner by throwing deep, risky passes. These quarterbacks usually possess the strong arm needed to throw deep effectively."

I've always loved this QB archetype because these players are almost always fun to watch. Few moments are more enjoyable when watching football than when a ball is thrown so far that it briefly leaves the television screen. We've seen all-time greats such as Brett Favre literally make a career out of playing like a maniac, while busts like Johnny Manziel still at least provided a few moments of off-script goodness along the way.

You see, being a gunslinger QB doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being good.

Agree, but man, what fun to watch.  It’s also those basketball player moves he had with a jump hop to throw a strike over a tight swarm of defenders vs Norte Dame and Utah.  You can help your team win as a true gunslinger, if the QB trusts his receivers and makes those daring throws.  It’s as if that QB is saying....I dare you to beat out my boy, he’s better than you.  Think that’s why he was loved as a leader.

That said, I love an aggressive, brutal defense.  Loved watching Junior Seau, Ronnie Lott, Willie McGinest, etc., knock the snot out of the opposing offense.

Take me with a grain of salt, those Cardinal & gold glasses are never that far from me.  Just know I mean no disrespect, want your team to win, as a team, not just one single player to succeed.  Cheers.

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21 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Jake wasn't elite, but he was good and he did well enough in games where he didn't have the greatest personnel around. For example the 2004 season. The only reliable guy he had was Moose. The rest was hurt early or was some flash in the pan smiling goof named Keary Colbert. Still managed to pull off nearly 3900 yards passing, 29 TDs and 15 Ints. 

 

Jake gave players the opportunity to make big plays.  That cuts both ways (did with Jake).  But it was the best thing about him IMO. 

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25 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Jake wasn't elite, but he was good and he did well enough in games where he didn't have the greatest personnel around. For example the 2004 season. The only reliable guy he had was Moose. The rest was hurt early or was some flash in the pan smiling goof named Keary Colbert. Still managed to pull off nearly 3900 yards passing, 29 TDs and 15 Ints. 

 

Colbert was actually legit in 2004, he sucked after that. I always wondered if he got injured and it was never disclosed or something.

And let’s not forget how lethal Panthers legend Nick Goings was in 2004. How many 100 yard games did he have in a row? I grabbed that dude on my FF team and he was fire for me. 

All great help for Delhomme that season. 

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4 hours ago, Michael G said:

I guess its all about how we define "mediocre"---You make a good point-I agree that it should be time to move on if we are winning "despite" his play.

And how do we define the phrase "winning 'despite' his play"?

Some here will have different definitions than others.     Sam may play solid but still be viewed as Mediocre by some here and Good by others. 

It's all a matter of one's own perspective.  The old "Beauty is in the eyes of the Beholder" or something like that.

1 hour ago, KatsAzz said:

The fact that Sam Darnold tried to make magic happen on a bad Jets team should not be a surprise.

I can easily see where a QB that is a high competitor could develop a tendency to press and try making things happen on their own when surrounded by poor coaches and low caliber players on a losing team.

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True.

Hopefully with this team, Sam will not to have to PRESS(like he did in NY) but be able to play within himself and make plays without running for his life.

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I think it's yet to be seen if he'll be running for his life. Our left side is a huge question mark still. And you also have to factor in that the QB makes adjustments to the protection at the line of scrimmage. So we'll have to see what the difference is between Teddy and Sam there and what effect it will have. Although, Sam should a lot better choices to block and chip than Teddy did outside of just who lines up on the offensive line.

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5 hours ago, hepcat said:

Let’s be real. Jake wasn’t a good QB. Jake was an average QB who had a great supporting cast around him. But what Jake had in spades was moxie and the ability to make clutch throws. If the game was on the line, Jake was gonna make it happen for you. That’s where he was great. 

He benefited greatly from having prime Steve Smith, veteran Mushin Muhammad, and maybe the most clutch WR ever in Ricky Proehl. As his WR corp declined, so did he. 

He had a roided up O-Line the year they went to the Super Bowl. And probably a better O-Line in general every season he played than Cam Newton ever had. 

And let’s not forget how potent the running game was at times to support him. 

I loved watching Jake play. He was a great dude and it was easy rooting for him. But I’m not looking back and saying he was a good QB. He was a guy who could do just enough to win you a game if the team around him was good enough. 

I still believe you're underselling him.  Saying he was just enough to win a game is a big understatement.  He was the most clutch qb we have had in the franchise by far.  Yes Cam was a lot more talented but Jake was who you wanted when the game was on the line.  Even in the super bowl look how he responded when the patriots started moving the ball.  There is a reason his leadership and intangibles are still talked about around the franchise.

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16 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I still believe you're underselling him.  Saying he was just enough to win a game is a big understatement.  He was the most clutch qb we have had in the franchise by far.  Yes Cam was a lot more talented but Jake was who you wanted when the game was on the line.  Even in the super bowl look how he responded when the patriots started moving the ball.  There is a reason his leadership and intangibles are still talked about around the franchise.

 

It's the Huddle. There is always going to be someone around to tell you how wrong you are. Tune them out, and enjoy the rest.

 

Just stick to your guns. And never give up, never surrender. lol

 

By the by. Jake was one of the best, until Tommy Jone showed up and ruined everything.

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11 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

It's the Huddle. There is always going to be someone around to tell you how wrong you are. Tune them out, and enjoy the rest.

 

Just stick to your guns. And never give up, never surrender. lol

 

By the by. Jake was one of the best, until Tommy Jone showed up and ruined everything.

 

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