REPORT: No movement in Panthers’ talks w/ Taylor Moton

[ladypanther]

17 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am still betting on him signing something.  Damn that is a huge gamble when you are leaving 60+ million on the table.

Anyone know anything about his agent?  I sure that is a big factor in all this.

[frankw]

11 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

I have no problem whatsoever with 3.

Norman's agent didn't understand easily Jerry Richardson could devolve into a fit of pique, unfortunate situation.  

I've seen no public comments whatsoever from the Panthers questioning Moton in any way, nothing improper going on that would hurt  their negotiating position.

Three tags just isn't happening. To even get to 2 tags will likely result in a soured relationship. The Panthers aren't foolish enough to do so through direct official channels or any of their social media pages. This is done via anonymous sources. Such as the indirect talk of the Panthers not feeling he is a comparable player to Ramczyk with the Saints. That's fine they feel that way but Carolina still has a serious need. And if they did not feel he is comparable to elite talent they should have foreseen this moment months ago and planned accordingly instead of waiting until the last minute to suddenly question his worth. It seems amateurish.

Edited July 15, 2021 by frankw

[FuFuLamePoo]

So fuging stupid

[CarolinaLivin]

 

 

[SizzleBuzz]

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

12 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

If Moton is going to switch to LT seems to me he would want to play under the tag...

...if he proves he can do it there's a bigger pot of dough at the end of that particular rainbow.

Unless he wants that kind of money now, which would explain why there is no deal yet…

You raise an interesting issue...

...who has considered the possibility that Moton's camp is making an ask that's completely unrealistic?

Naaah...has to be the billionaire-meanie beating up on the little guy.

[SizzleBuzz]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Three tags just isn't happening. To even get to 2 tags will likely result in a soured relationship.

The players and owners agreed to a system of tags that was deemed to be fair to both parties.  Whether 3-tags happens is yet to be determined but it is in the set of possible outcomes.  Don't care about a "soured relationship"...if you want to

1 hour ago, frankw said:

The Panthers aren't foolish enough to do so through direct official channels or any of their social media pages. This is done via anonymous sources.

Nonsense.  This just is not happening.

1 hour ago, frankw said:

And if they did not feel he is comparable to elite talent they should have foreseen this moment months ago and planned accordingly instead of waiting until the last minute to suddenly question his worth. It seems amateurish.

Again, nonsense.  There is absolutely nothing "sudden" or "amateurish" going on here...it's simply a long-term negotiation that hasn't culminated in a deal...and that's OK, especially from the Panthers perspective.

[KatsAzz]

It is obvious the  Panthers are cutting it fine. But as long as something gets done with Moton, nobody will care too much.

[MHS831]

I have seen some basically shrewd moves by the front office concerning free agents.  If Erving and Elflien and Darnold work out--or at least Darnold and one other, the most questionable personnel decisions will be wins.  The others, like the Miller, Riddick, Perryman, Arnold, Bouye, etc. signings look damn good right now.  So trust the front office--this ain't Marty Hurney and his Magic 8 ball.  We have a capologist and a pretty good GM it seems.  I trust them.  Moton is ours for 2021.  If Christensen looks good at RT in camp, Moton could be signed and traded for all we know.  I love smart football players, and that describes Moton.  I want to keep him, but not if it means that we sell out at the negotiating table.  Sure, its only a 2 million difference---until it happens again, and again, and then you can't sign a player you want to keep because you are in cap hell.  Stay the course.  It is all about QBs anyway--not right tackles--and all this LT talk--he is unproven there--when he played there, he sucked.

[SizzleBuzz]

22 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Three tags just isn't happening. To even get to 2 tags will likely result in a soured relationship.

The players and owners agreed to a system of tags that was deemed to be fair to both parties.  Whether 3-tags happens is yet to be determined but it is in the set of possible outcomes.  Don't care about a "soured relationship"...if you want to

...get paid show up and play -- no pouting allowed.

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[frankw]

19 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

...get paid show up and play -- no pouting allowed.

[end of that sentence got cut off somehow]

Well you have your opinion I have mine. I feel like you are only seeing it from one perspective and that is of the front office. That's fine but that just isn't the way the world works in a business setting where you have to build relationships. Beyond that I just want an adequate oline to protect our quarterback so we can get back to winning. As far as I know we all want the same result we just differ on the path somewhat.

Edited July 15, 2021 by frankw

[SizzleBuzz]

39 minutes ago, frankw said:

Well you have your opinion I have mine.

True.

39 minutes ago, frankw said:

I feel like you are only seeing it from one perspective and that is of the front office.

Nope.  That said, I do believe the best interests of the overall team/franchise are always the first consideration.

39 minutes ago, frankw said:

That's fine but that just isn't the way the world works in a business setting where you have to build relationships.

Does the business you work for allow you to set your own pay level?

39 minutes ago, frankw said:

Beyond that I just want an adequate oline to protect our quarterback so we can get back to winning.

Agreed.

39 minutes ago, frankw said:

As far as I know we all want the same result we just differ on the path somewhat.

Again, agreed. 

When I was in grad school Warren Buffet came and spoke to our value-investing class.  He had about 5-minutes of prepared comments and then fielded Q&A for 2-hours, it was pretty damn interesting.  

In the prepared commentary Warren said "whatever bad traits you might share with the person on your left try to minimize them, and whatever good traits you don't share with the person on your right try to acquire them"...

...I'm looking for the Panthers to acquire a lot (not all!) of the hard-line "this is serious business" (both in the front office & on the field) no-holds-barred traits that have defined the Patriots for years now --- said traits are the baseline for their astounding success over the long-term.

The Patriots don't ever cave to player demands and rarely if ever hand out crappy contracts that are unfriendly to the team/

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/08/brandon-lafell-patriots-work-a-little-harder-than-the-panthers/

 

Edited July 15, 2021 by SizzleBuzz

[TheSpecialJuan]

4 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

 

 

Good, this is the correct move 

[Snake]

18 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Huddle: "SaM dArNoLd Is ThE sAvIoR!!! eXcElLeNt VaLuE!!!"

Also Huddle: "fug Taylor Moton. Not worth the money."

I don't think people are saying fu to him. I think most of us just don't understand why he hasn't signed yet when the market was set by the saints. Maybe he will switch sides and that's why but giving Irving the contract we did kinda says the panthers feel he's a really good RT. Either way I don't think people want to see him go.

[CarolinaLivin]