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22 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Hearing all the positivity about Fields and Trey Lance is beginning to make me wonder about Rhule's, Brady's and Fit's QB scouting abilities (not to mention that they were reportedly high on Wilson). The only thing that is keeping my mouth shut is the good things that I'm hearing about Darnold. That, and the fact that live bullets haven't started flying yet.

It's still early, but damn.

We'll see, but I've been saying it for awhile. I have legit concerns about our staff's ability to evaluate the QB position. Teddy was baffling. Darnold honestly is too. We keep putting all of our QB eggs in long shot baskets. Hopefully the Darnold one works out, but odds are against it.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We'll see, but I've been saying it for awhile. I have legit concerns about our staff's ability to evaluate the QB position. Teddy was baffling. Darnold honestly is too. We keep putting all of our QB eggs in long shot baskets. Hopefully the Darnold one works out, but odds are against it.

Honestly, neither the Teddy or Darnold acquisition was "baffling" to me. What was baffling regarding Teddy was the money & structure of the contract. I like the Darnold acquisition (even if the 2nd was a tad too high IMO). What I didn't like was them skipping over Fields. That was kind of "baffling" to me, notwithstanding Darnold. But, I know why they probably did it, in part because of Darnold (which may be confusing, I don't know). I hope that it works out. But, if it doesn't, they deserve all the criticism that they get.

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4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Honestly, neither the Teddy or Darnold acquisition was "baffling" to me. What was baffling regarding Teddy was the money & structure of the contract. I like the Darnold acquisition (even if the 2nd was a tad too high IMO). What I didn't like was them skipping over Fields. That was kind of "baffling" to me, notwithstanding Darnold. But, I know why they probably did it, in part because of Darnold (which may be confusing, I don't know). I hope that it works out. But, if it doesn't, they deserve all the criticism that they get.

If the rumor was true that Tepper was pushing for Fields and he looks promising while Darnold flops... man, it's gonna start getting really uncomfortably really quickly inside that building. 

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10 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

It was never a choice between Darnold and Fields.  It was a choice between Darnold + Horn vs Fields or Darnold + Sewell vs Fields.  For a rebuilding team in year 2 of a roster overhaul, that's a no brainer.

That's all fine and good...if Darnold doesn't flop and Fields turns into a legit superstar. If Fields is a top 5 QB, and Darnold flops, that virtually takes Horn out of the equation, as no one is going to want to hear anything else. Even if Horn is Revis-good, it still won't take the sting away from passing on Fields. Now maybe if we would quickly land a legit superstar QB, then all may be forgotten, but there will rightfully be hell to pay, at the very least temporarily, if Fields turns into Fields of gold while we deal in chaff.

The Sewell injection into the discussion is really a nonstarter, as he became a nonfactor in our plans as soon as Detroit drafted him. 

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23 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

It was never a choice between Darnold and Fields.  It was a choice between Darnold + Horn vs Fields or Darnold + Sewell vs Fields.  For a rebuilding team in year 2 of a roster overhaul, that's a no brainer.

Having a franchise quarterback is more important than a corner. No offense to Jaycee I hope he is great but that is the reality in the modern NFL. If you don't have the centerpiece all else is moot. Any head coach or gm worth their salt will say the same if they value their job security. In our case the decision makers went all in on Darnold instead of a draft pick. We hope that was correct but make no mistake it is a big risk.

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1 hour ago, frankw said:

We hope that was correct but make no mistake it is a big risk.

I will respectfully disagree.  Darnold plus either Sewell or Horn was the low risk decision.  Before either steps on the field, you have to allow for the possibility that Fields may bust.  Darnold may also bust but in selecting either Sewell or Horn, you have two chips in the game (Darnold +), rather than just one (Fields).  And this fits with Fitterer's philosophy of trading down to get more players, which is more opportunities to succeed in the draft.  Given the flop rate of first round QB's, choosing Fields is equivalent to pushing all your chips in on your current hand.  You will win big or leave the game.  I don't think Fitterer or Rhule were willing to risk that outcome.  Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

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4 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

I will respectfully disagree.  Darnold plus either Sewell or Horn was the low risk decision.  Before either steps on the field, you have to allow for the possibility that Fields may bust.  Darnold may also bust but in selecting either Sewell or Horn, you have two chips in the game (Darnold +), rather than just one (Fields).  And this fits with Fitterer's philosophy of trading down to get more players, which is more opportunities to succeed in the draft.  Given the flop rate of first round QB's, choosing Fields is equivalent to pushing all your chips in on your current hand.  You will win big or leave the game.  I don't think Fitterer or Rhule were willing to risk that outcome.  Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

Well we chose our path. I concur regarding the risks of first round quarterbacks but if Darnold flops which we hope he doesn't that's our prime option in 2022 if we want a franchise quarterback. The stakes only get higher from here on. For the moment we are not desperate but if the failures of other franchises around the league have shown that can change in a hurry. As of now we essentially drafted a 24 year old quarterback with our 2nd round pick next year. But the concern is this line and what that will do for Sam Darnold's development if he's got the defense in his face in an instant in passing situations. He's already been rattled with the Jets per his own remarks against the Patriots. Reading the recent tea leaves from camp his pass protection being a little sketchy seems like a definite possibility at least in the short term. We are basically in a position where if Sam fails to show the promise expected we have to bring in another arm and Will Grier and PJ Walker though good guys they don't fit the bill in that regard.

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3 hours ago, Ocpanthertew714 said:

what if he is what his numbers suggest regardless of his situation. Because this scenario is a definite possibility. 

We move on. 

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 I just have my concerns about how long can we make the excuse of it's not him....we have to find him the right weapons, the right offensive line, the right offensive scheme... the right furniture.  So on and so forth. 

We moved on from Teddy quickly.  After a season working with him, they'll know.

And you saw the tweet from Newton right.  The couch came in

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