Biggest glaring redzone weakness?

[micnificent28]

I have no idea what this coaching staff has against thumpers and or goalinebacks but, it has been clear to me over the years CMC is fantastic in space* he can make the wow plays the eye opening catches.. but 4th and you gotta have it and they know it's coming... just isn't the situation you want to put him in.

If you want to throw him a swing or something on 4th. I'm all for it.. but don't just hammer him in there like Tolbert or cam we haven't had a presence like that since those guys left or Stewart for that matter. I'm not sure how we sign guys like arnold as backup tightens and gio the new designated fullback and no rb on the roster pushes 220( Royse freeman is 238)*.  

I'm not saying that hammering it in on 4th and 1 is the only way to go but you damn well better have the threat that you can muscle up and punch it in if need be. This role needs to be addressed in tight ball games or those situations could result in losses down the road.

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by micnificent28

[hepcat]

Why did they get Royce freeman if they aren’t gonna use him in the red zone

[micnificent28]

Just now, hepcat said:

Why did they get Royce freeman if they aren’t gonna use him in the red zone

Good question... did he even play?

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I have no idea what this coaching staff has against thumpers and or goalinebacks but, it has been clear to me over the years CMC is fantastic in space* he can make the wow plays the eye opening catches.. but 4th and you gotta have it and they know it's coming... just isn't the situation you want to put him in.

If you want to throw him a swing or something on 4th. I'm all for it.. but don't just hammer him in there like Tolbert or cam we haven't had a presence like that since those guys left or Stewart for that matter. I'm not sure how we sign guys like arnold as backup tightens and gio the new designated fullback and no rb on the roster pushes 220.  

I'm not saying that hammering it in on 4th and 1 is the only way to go but you damn well better have the threat that you can muscle up and punch it in if need be. This role needs to be addressed in tight ball games or those situations could result in losses down the road.

 

IT'S definitely play calling they still try to get too cute.

[TheCasillas]

The issue isnt on the inside, its the big target on the outside. I dont think it's in Brady's playbook. A lot of teams throw on the outside when its one on one situations. We dont do that here, and I wish we would. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Over reliance on CMC and then Darnold just flat out missed two TD throws. Hit on those two throws and we put up 30+.

[45catfan]

Our OL sucks, so running between the tackles for short yardage is akin to trying to run through a brick wall.  Our OL gets zero push.

[Scott12345]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

The issue isnt on the inside, its the big target on the outside. I dont think it's in Brady's playbook. A lot of teams throw on the outside when its one on one situations. We dont do that here, and I wish we would. 

We had a TD at the corner today with a good throw

and there were 3 guys on cmc in that formation that Sam ran in and scored on

we are so weak on middle of OL that it causes us tons of problems in short yardages

but I do think play calling is a huge culprit 

[Scott12345]

Just now, 45catfan said:

Our OL sucks, so running between the tackles for short yardage is akin to trying to run through a brick wall.  Our OL gets zero push.

The middle is so weak

[OldhamA]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

The issue isnt on the inside, its the big target on the outside. I dont think it's in Brady's playbook. A lot of teams throw on the outside when its one on one situations. We dont do that here, and I wish we would. 

The issue IS on the inside.

The Oline isn't blowing anyone off the ball. It's a finesse blocking scheme with finesse blockers. That's death in Goal-to-go situations unless you're able to pitch / toss it. 

As for Brady's playbook - he hasn't had those big targets. Darnold missed a throw to Marshall that should have been a TD. I don't know where Arnold was - I thought he was going to get targeted a lot in the RedZone. 

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, Scott12345 said:

We had a TD at the corner today with a good throw

and there were 3 guys on cmc in that formation that Sam ran in and scored on

we are so weak on middle of OL that it causes us tons of problems in short yardages

but I do think play calling is a huge culprit 

middle of the line needs an upgrade 100% but you can still score in the RZ with that, just a bit more challenging. I dont like how we dont get to the outside with the ball in the RZ.

 

@OldhamA see above for clarification 

Edited September 13, 2021 by TheCasillas

[frankw]

He isn't a bruiser by any means but today we kept running him up the middle like he was Stephen Davis. He's a threat in the open field use him as such but good grief we were predictable.

[Snake]

We have to figure out who we are in the Redzone. A passing team or a running team. This team can't be both.

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

We should have scored both times. Two missed passes that were open (Darnold played outside of those) and then a botched a hand off. The middle of the OL is the huge issue because it takes a lot of what works for short yardage. If the interior could get any push the D has to respect that and easy play action fakes are in play and it’s easier to go outside. As mentioned above, Darnold waltzed in because 3 guys went with CMC. A toss to CMC doesn’t work when the D is sending 3 guys with him because they don’t have to respect him in the middle. We only opened the middle for Darnold by taking CMC outside.

Ill be a bit more specific... Brady doesnt have a RZ fade in the playbook. I dont think we have had a single throw thrown under Brady where it was a 1 on 1 jump ball istuation in the corner of the RZ.

Im speaking for the entirety of our RZ issues, not today's. TBH if that fumble doesnt occur today... we are probably speaking positiviely about our RZ offense today.  I just wish we would focus on big targets in the RZ and setup 1:1 situations.