In your opinion, how did we fair in certain areas in comparison to last year?

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Bridgewater can't make that throw.

 

it's basically a clone of the same play.   This one went for 74. 

as I said, that was the exact type deep shot Teddy would take.  The wide open one. 

[OldhamA]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

 

it's basically a clone of the same play.   This one went for 74. 

as I said, that was the exact type deep shot Teddy would take.  The wide open one. 

Exactly. He had time to set himself and step into that throw and it's still a 45 yard rainbow.

Darnold's was a 50 yard, off platform, throw that was all arm. Bridgewater can't make that throw - he also wouldn't - you saw how hesitant he was to throw it with Anderson WIDE open. He had to gather himself and put everything he had into it. 

For reference:

 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by OldhamA

[ncsfinest21]

Very simila only defense looked alot more experienced and opposition QB looked alot more inexperienced than Carr did.

[CRA]

8 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Exactly. He had time to set himself and step into that throw and it's still a 45 yard rainbow.

Darnold's was a 50 yard, off platform, throw that was all arm. Bridgewater can't make that throw - he also wouldn't - you saw how hesitant he was to throw it with Anderson WIDE open. He had to gather himself and put everything he had into it. 

Ok, Tom Brady couldn't make that throw.  PJ Walker could.   That's where you are focusing the convo.   And it's not like Sam was throwing it on a rope.  But yeah, he doesn't have more arm ability. 

the original point was THAT opportunity is the one Teddy would take. He did in the clip.    

Darnold has spent his time to date overwhelming checking down.  Frankly, at a greater degree than Teddy started.  Camp, preseason, and now week 1.    That's the conversation I am having.  It looks like he is being deliberately coached into being a checkdown QB.    The intermediate routes is my focus.  Not 20+.  

 

[Basbear]

1st game of the year and it looked like it.

 I can not judge on improvements form last season til about 4-5 games.

I did happened to somehow get ahold of Joe Bradys offensive play-book=

1. Pass to CMC

2. Run CMC

3. ???

4. Profit- play fake to CMC and throw one bomb to RObby ANderson*only one per game*

[OldhamA]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

Ok, Tom Brady couldn't make that throw.  PJ Walker could.   That's where you are focusing the convo.   And it's not like Sam was throwing it on a rope.  But yeah, he doesn't have more arm ability. 

the original point was THAT opportunity is the one Teddy would take. He did in the clip.    

Darnold has spent his time to date overwhelming checking down.  Frankly, at a greater degree than Teddy started.  Camp, preseason, and now week 1.    That's the conversation I am having.  It looks like he is being deliberately coached into being a checkdown QB.    The intermediate routes is my focus.  Not 20+.  

 

But he didn't take that opportunity in the clip...

[PootieNunu]

Im not sure what people expect Darnold to do when he was getting hit as he was delivering the balls to CMC, its not like our OL was giving him loads of time to go through his reads. Its either take the check down or take the sack. 

 

He made some good throws and some bad throws and will hopefully get better if our OL can show any kind of improvement. 

To have a chance vs the saints next week we need the OL to show up in pass protection and the D needs to hit Jameis all day like they did with Wilson. 

 

[OneBadCat]

36 minutes ago, CRA said:

 

it's basically a clone of the same play.   This one went for 74. 

as I said, that was the exact type deep shot Teddy would take.  The wide open one. 

I disagree. Darnolds throw took more anticipation and threw while on the move in the pocket. Sam threw the ball ahead of Robby being open.

[woahfraze]

Aside from the deep bomb to Robby Anderson, Darnold also hit DJ Moore twice on intermediate to deepish throws along the sidelines with nice throws.  He also had another nice intermediate one to Marshall Jr. that was dropped (or maybe had tight coverage that broke the play up, but Sam placed the ball in a place where only Marshall could catch it and the defender couldn't).  He's much more willing and much more able to attack down field than Teddy.  That will open up the offense for all of that CMC stuff underneath.

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

Aside from the deep bomb to Robby Anderson, Darnold also hit DJ Moore twice on intermediate to deepish throws along the sidelines with nice throws.  He also had another nice intermediate one to Marshall Jr. that was dropped (or maybe had tight coverage that broke the play up, but Sam placed the ball in a place where only Marshall could catch it and the defender couldn't).  He's much more willing and much more able to attack down field than Teddy.  That will open up the offense for all of that CMC stuff underneath.

We haven’t seen that yet though here.  From camp to preseason to week 1….he overall just checking down and playing with 10 yards.  Got to think it is instruction at this point. 
 

and maybe that is the right call with a project like Sam.  But I still feel people are inventing him into something he isn’t yet…and then rewriting Teddy’s time as a Jimmy Clausen.  

Darnold was more aggressive in NY.  But he also made a lot of bondheaded decisions while being such.   I still think early plan is having him play like Teddy.   Then Rhule can do what he has always done.   Try to win with D and just smart O.  We would have won more last year with Teddy checking down to CMC all game. 

 

[woahfraze]

13 minutes ago, CRA said:

We haven’t seen that yet though here.  From camp to preseason to week 1….he overall just checking down and playing with 10 yards.  Got to think it is instruction at this point. 
 

and maybe that is the right call with a project like Sam.  But I still feel people are inventing him into something he isn’t yet…and then rewriting Teddy’s time as a Jimmy Clausen.  

Darnold was more aggressive in NY.  But he also made a lot of bondheaded decisions while being such.   I still think early plan is having him play like Teddy.   Then Rhule can do what he has always done.   Try to win with D and just smart O.  We would have won more last year with Teddy checking down to CMC all game. 

 

"We haven't seen that yet though here."

I disagree.  It may not have been a high percentage of throws, but he still took those shots and proved he could hit them.  That in of itself is important.  We shall see if Joe Brady gives him more leash as he continues to prove himself and/or improved defenses don't prevent that.

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

"We haven't seen that yet though here."

I disagree.  It may not have been a high percentage of throws, but he still took those shots and proved he could hit them.  That in of itself is important.  We shall see if Joe Brady gives him more leash as he continues to prove himself and/or improved defenses don't prevent that.

22 of his 24 completions were 10 yards or less downfield week 1. 

I believe 18 of his 19 preseason completions were 10 yards or less downfield 

and all camp reporters were asking Rhule about Darnold checking down with such a high level consistency 

that’s a pretty consistent trend to date and has to be coaching.    And it’s checking down a greater rate than Teddy because he was always able to work in the 10-20 yard intermediate plays.  

and if you call that making plays downfield….then you can’t call Teddy a Checkdown player.  Because Teddy pushes the ball down the field more than that.    

and again, maybe that is the right call with Sam.   But IMO this staff has handled Sam like damaged goods.  Which he is.  But it’s also why I temper expectations for him. 

[TheRumGone]

it’s definitely coaching right now. Darnold has more arm talent than Teddy. That’s not debatable. It’s the boneheaded throws they are coaching out of him. Play smart, efficient and in control. That’s going to change at times because we’re gonna need him to play hero ball in games when we’re behind and need a big play against vastly more talented teams then the jets. If he’s still checking down in those situations we have a serious problem.

[JawnyBlaze]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

yeah, see, I just can't get down with stuff like that.  QB has been significantly upgraded?  I mean, we can't actually declare that.  

 

Like I said, even when making the same throws as Teddy, he made them BETTER.