How did Elflein look at center?

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Snake said:

Like I said Sam had nothing to do with the inept run game and that falls squarely on the line. Stop blaming one person for multiple problems. Just be happy there was a solution found. 

Technically the person causing all the problems is Matt Rhule.

But, yes, Sam had a lot to do with the inept run game because no defense feared us in the passing game. Made us easy to defend.

[OldhamA]

45 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Technically the person causing all the problems is Matt Rhule.

But, yes, Sam had a lot to do with the inept run game because no defense feared us in the passing game. Made us easy to defend.

I'm sure Vance Joseph lost sleep game planning for PJ Walker last week.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

Darnald is a broken QB. His problems are enumerable but he didn't cause the Center to let lose his man almost every play. That's on Paradis. PJ had actual time in the pocket yesterday and that's not been the norm. Not to mention we punched holes in the Run game and that has zero to do with Darnald. 

Ah, at least there's one other sane poster on this board.

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

There was time last week too. There was time when Sam was here. 

Like I said, in hindsight, I expect more and more off our offensive issues are going to end up landing squarely at his feet.

Time will tell.

I agree I'm starting think teams Know Sam can't read or process defenses fast enough.. So they are all in on attacking and playing 1 on 1 on the outside because they get pressure while easily confuseing Sam...

I think Sam was so bad defensive coordinator found it easy to game plan us.. And now I'm starting think Sam faults in the pass game handicapped Brady and the offense..

 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

Darnald is a broken QB. His problems are enumerable but he didn't cause the Center to let lose his man almost every play. That's on Paradis. PJ had actual time in the pocket yesterday and that's not been the norm. Not to mention we punched holes in the Run game and that has zero to do with Darnald. 

PJ was getting the ball out on time and had rhythm with his receivers. Do you think it's just a coincidence we ran all those slants and Robby Anderson suddenly had great hands again?

[BurnNChinn]

3 hours ago, lightsout said:

He was shaky to start because he was jacked. Once he settled, the middle of the line was pretty strong.

Paradis never needs to see the field at center again for the Panthers. Period.

Isn’t his contract up anyway?

[KillerKat]

Elfein should've been the center from the start. I saw Paradis as the worst lineman in the offseason and it continued to show into the season. Paradis is trash.

[WOW!!]

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

PJ was getting the ball out on time and had rhythm with his receivers. Do you think it's just a coincidence we ran all those slants and Robby Anderson suddenly had great hands again?

Nope.. I'm starting think Sam not being able to read defenses caused the Wr to put there heads on a swivel and spend weeks being open but not seeing the ball because Sam couldn't  read the defense fast enough...

Edited November 15, 2021 by WOW!!

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I agree I'm starting think teams Know Sam can't read or process defenses fast enough.. So they are all in on attacking and playing 1 on 1 on the outside because they get pressure while easily confuseing Sam...

I think Sam was so bad defensive coordinator found it easy to game plan us.. And now I'm starting think Sam faults in the pass game handicapped Brady and the offense..

 

I think it had become rather obvious. Look no farther than Joe Brady's "1-0" tweet and Matt Rhule's comments about needing to run the ball more. Everyone in the NFL knew we were fuged on offense but we have a select group of Darnold Super Fanboys that still believe Samta Claus is real. He's coming down that chimney to deliver 400 yds, 4 TD's and no TO's.

He literally was the exact same guy he was with the Jets. How this was hard for people to see is completely beyond me.

[ImaginaryKev]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

we better hope Elf is better at C because Paradis will never play another snap here and Elf has 2 years left on his contract after this season.  What a nice thought that we do not have to find a C in free agency or the draft (a starter would take the first rounder, imo).

And if Cam is decent to good, we can finally use the #1 pick on a LT. 

Thisssssss

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think it had become rather obvious. Look no farther than Joe Brady's "1-0" tweet and Matt Rhule's comments about needing to run the ball more. Everyone in the NFL knew we were fuged on offense but we have a select group of Darnold Super Fanboys that still believe Samta Claus is real. He's coming down that chimney to deliver 400 yds, 4 TD's and no TO's.

He literally was the exact same guy he was with the Jets. How this was hard for people to see is completely beyond me.

I didn't believe it until I saw it.. They literally didn't respect or care about our pass game.. Bad Secondary jumping everything.. Brady afraid to called a slant.. 8 to 9 men boxes on passing downs... Sam literally can't read defenses..

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I didn't believe it until I saw it.. They literally didn't respect or care about our pass game.. Bad Secondary jumping everything.. Brady afraid to called a slant.. 8 to 9 men boxes on passing downs... Sam literally can't read defenses..

Sole of us have been screaming that. It was his rap from NY. Plus, I kept trying to hint that the fact EVERY receiver on our team suddenly had the yips seemed pretty unlikely to be completely the receivers fault. 

Then you watch All 22 and see receivers open every 2nd or 3rd pass play that just aren't getting seen at all. Not just when pressure existed, when there was a clean pocket and time. 

It was pretty obvious the problem was mainly Darnold. The OL and Brady have their issues top but the collapse of the offense laid at his feet.

Which, as I also evolved to believe, ultimately was 0% Sam Darnold's fault and 100% Matt Rhule's fault.

[Waldo]

Where the blame falls is obvious at this point but I will enjoy watching the defuses continue blaming anyone but who was the obvious problem here...

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Waldo

[WOW!!]

14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Sole of us have been screaming that. It was his rap from NY. Plus, I kept trying to hint that the fact EVERY receiver on our team suddenly had the yips seemed pretty unlikely to be completely the receivers fault. 

Then you watch All 22 and see receivers open every 2nd or 3rd pass play that just aren't getting seen at all. Not just when pressure existed, when there was a clean pocket and time. 

It was pretty obvious the problem was mainly Darnold. The OL and Brady have their issues top but the collapse of the offense laid at his feet.

Which, as I also evolved to believe, ultimately was 0% Sam Darnold's fault and 100% Matt Rhule's fault.

It's crazy and I totally Blame Rhule for his evaluation of talent.. Especially QB.. Even with Clausen as bad as he was.. Defense weren't playing us liked they did with Sam... They literally had no fear that he could beat them with the pass or find a open WR... They Jumped every play.. I  blamed DJ for the Hit on robby for not running his route with more conviction.. But now I believe he could have ran that as fast as possible.. And the DB still wouldn't believe it.. Because Sam can't read defenses...

I'm starting to believe Rhule evaluate player on their personality and think he can make a good guy a football player..

Edited November 15, 2021 by WOW!!