Jerry Richardson knew you didn't have to win it all, just some.

[rippadonn]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Let's not forget that those early Panther teams were given some special advantages because the league wanted them to be competitive early.

The early Jaguars actually stayed competitive for a while even after those advantages ended. The Panthers... didn't.

Too harsh, we were in the Superbowl a couple years ago. Not the Jets, Jags, Bengals, Dolphins, Bears the Panthers.

We not that bad.....yet.

[Catsfan69]

Jerry should still be the owner. 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Jerry should still be the owner. 

Oh Lord, no.

We'd still have Marty Hurney as GM.

Edited December 6, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Jerry >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tepper and it's not close

Jerry was still a bad owner. Panthers would be in the playoffs this season if Navarro bought the team.

[Khyber53]

Honestly, none of us have any actual insight into what Richardson or Tepper really think or want.

I don't think anyone buys a team and says, "Yep, I want a team that wins a bit here and there, breaks even over the long run." 

You have to understand that for guys like Richardson and Tepper, these football teams aren't their real business. They are toys (ones that are pretty much guaranteed to make money) and their goal is to impress their friends, entertain themselves and get them so notoriety in the higher echelons of life as they know it.

These guys aren't like Jones and the Cowboys, the Rooneys and the Steelers or the Maras and the New York Giants where the franchises are the majority of the families' wealths and standings. They want their teams to win mainly for the glory. The problem is that they don't have the same know how in growing, managing and developing football teams.

Of course, there's the Lions and the Ford Family. Sometimes having a long history doesn't create winning strategies, but their money didn't come from football either.

[45catfan]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oh Lord, no.

We'd still have Marty Hurney as GM.

I honestly believe if Jerry had weathered the storm, Hurney was on a short leash and would be gone by now.  Remember, Richardson fired his own kids, so as well as he liked Hurney, Marty was not cemented here.

Also, once the Daniel Synder saga eventually sees the light of day, what Jerry Richardson got accused of will be akin to jay walking.  While wrong, there's apparently a hell of a lot worse things being done out there.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I honestly believe if Jerry had weathered the storm, Hurney was on a short leash and would be gone by now.  Remember, Richardson fired his own kids, so as well as he liked Hurney, Marty was not cemented here.

Also, once the Daniel Synder saga eventually sees the light of day, what Jerry Richardson got accused of will be akin to jay walking.  While wrong, there's apparently a hell of a lot worse things being done out there.

Gantt said on numerous occasions that Marty was GM for life if he wanted to be.

The only reason he was let go in the first place was because he volunteered in order to save Rivera's job. And then a few years later, he was back.

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gantt said on numerous occasions that Marty was GM for life if he wanted to be.

The only reason he was let go in the first place was because he volunteered in order to save Rivera's job. And then a few years later, he was back.

Did Gantt also foresee Jerry firing his own kids?  Beat reporters (as he was at the time) think they know everything.  Jerry would not have endured this mess we are in now.  How I miss having losing seasons every other season.  Mediocrity?  I'd love to get back there.

[Snake]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jerry Richardson didn't have any clue how to build a championship team.

Neither does David Tepper.

The one hope that I have with Tepper is that he at least might be willing to let the people he hires do their jobs.

Richardson never would.

 

I have a lot more faith in a guy who went from line cook to billionaire hedge fund manager than a guy whos biggest accomplishment was playing in the NFL and buying restaurants. 

[Mr. Scot]

26 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Did Gantt also foresee Jerry firing his own kids?  Beat reporters (as he was at the time) think they know everything.  Jerry would not have endured this mess we are in now.  How I miss having losing seasons every other season.  Mediocrity?  I'd love to get back there.

The Jerry Richardson who oversaw three winning seasons from 2002 to 2012, then fired the guy who produced that many winning seasons and division titles in five years in favor of bringing back the prior guy, only to watch that guy not produce even one more? 

That's the guy you're saying wouldn't tolerate mediocrity?

Yeah...no, dude.

As to the thing with his sons, Richardson didn't exactly fire them "for performance reasons". It was because of family issues. Hell, Jon didn't even have anything to do with team performance. He was in charge of stadium operations.

Edited December 6, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[45catfan]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The Jerry Richardson who oversaw three winning seasons from 2002 to 2012, then fired the guy who produced that many winning seasons and division titles in five years in favor of bringing back the prior guy, only to watch that guy not produce even one more? That's the guy you're saying wouldn't tolerate mediocrity?

Yeah...no, dude.

As to the thing with his sons, Richardson didn't exactly fire them "for performance reasons". It was because of family issues. Hell, Jon didn't even have anything to do with team performance. He was in charge of stadium operations.

This was a .500 team on average, the non-winning seasons were generally 7-9 and at least competitive.  Take out Fox's lame duck season backed by Rivera's rookie year and this was a decent franchise, no fewer that 7 wins. We'll be lucky to get 7 wins this year.  I was never a Marty fan, 1.0 or 2.0, but I seriously doubt Richardson would have kept Marty around if the wheels came completely off, say, like scenario we are in right now.

Edited December 6, 2021 by 45catfan

[rippadonn]

Obviously Richardson is the better NFL owner. No debating that until Tepper has a winning season. So far not so good.

He's on a long winding losing streak 4yrs and going.

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

This was a .500 team on average, the non-winning seasons were generally 7-9 and at least competitive.  Take out Fox's lame duck season backed by Rivera's rookie year and this was a decent franchise, no fewer that 7 wins. We'll be lucky to get 7 wins this year.  I was never a Marty fan, 1.0 or 2.0, but I seriously doubt Richardson would have kept Marty around if the wheels came completely off, say, like scenario we are in right now.

Marty stuck around here for the same reason Howie Roseman stays in Philly.

Both Marty and Howie are guys that are willing to let the owners dictate moves and then act like a scapegoat when those moves fail.

Richardson valued loyalty over ability. How do you think a cheerleader wound up Chief Operating Officer?

And that's the thing: Even if Richardson miraculously were to let go of Marty, you're gonna get another guy just like him. The one guy who wouldn't do that got fired despite the fact we were winning more consistently than ever.

So no, having Jerry back wasn't an option. Nor should it have been.

Is Tepper better? Not yet, but at least there's a chance.

[SizzleBuzz]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Richardson valued loyalty over ability. How do you think a cheerleader wound up Chief Operating Officer?

It wasn't because of "loyalty" that's for sure