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If nothing matter until you find a franchise QB what is the best way to build the team?

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A franchise QB is the top of the football version of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs:

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Which is to say, once all the more foundational needs are in place, a franchise QB is what enables your team to reach the highest level of fulfillment. But using Maslow's hierarchy as an example, for us it would basically be like living in a palace, but you don't have any food and you're starving to death.  

The lower, more foundational levels consist of things like Team Identity, Coaching, Trenches, Play Calling, Skill Players, etc. If you've got all those other pieces in place, a franchise QB is what makes you a championship contender. We haven't built a foundation yet.

Which is all to say it's simultaneously true that we need to find a franchise QB, and it's NOT what we should build a team around. 

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13 hours ago, BlitzMonster said:

Keep building up the team until you can draft one.  That way all of the pieces are (mostly) set for the rookie to succeed.    Use a veteran game-manager QB during the build-up period.  

 

 

I mean the pieces possibly lined up for us already. We had Teddy (vet game manager) and a chance for Fields (super talented) or Mac (accurate/poise) and we went with a CB after trading away draft capital for a project QB. We should have Fields with some experience at this point (after learning behind Teddy) with the option to opt out of Teddy’s final year and looking at drafting OL with our 1st and 2nd round picks. Plus we would have another $18 million to spend on a top FA that Darnold is taking up. 

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30 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I mean the pieces possibly lined up for us already. We had Teddy (vet game manager) and a chance for Fields (super talented) or Mac (accurate/poise) and we went with a CB after trading away draft capital for a project QB. We should have Fields with some experience at this point (after learning behind Teddy) with the option to opt out of Teddy’s final year and looking at drafting OL with our 1st and 2nd round picks. Plus we would have another $18 million to spend on a top FA that Darnold is taking up. 

My first choice was slater but damn man what you have in your post would give me crazy good vibes about this franchise going forward if that is what happened.  But now we are in a tailspin with no qb, no line and no draft capital.

 

How do you fug things up that bad in 24 months?

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Trenches are the foundation.  Front 5 and 7 man gang.   Adding weapons on offense.  Adding playmakers in the secondary.  If you have a team built the QB might just come to you.  Tampa Bay is an example. 

I still think the defense is the closest to built.  Need to add more beef in the middle to go with brown.  I also want a new school uber athletic MLB. Lastly another young safety that complements Chinn.  So three positions.  

Now on offense the list is longer.  Sadly CMC may never be the same.  Chubba is decent but he not a bell cow beast mode dude. Need to add to the committee.  Abdullah, Chubba and a rookie bruiser.  I am interested in developing BC at left tackle but the interior line needs upgrading.  I like what I've seen from tommy tremble but Ian could be upgraded.  A tremble clone would be nice.  Tough willing blocker with better hands than Ian.  So QB....  Yep we all know.   Six positions, four of which are really important.  QB and the oline.  

Core players at each level with emphasis on the high impact guys.  MLB general on field.  QB terrorizer pass rusher. Playmakers at RB,WR and TE.  But it all comes down to the trenches.  

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39 minutes ago, mickeye76 said:

Now on offense the list is longer.  Sadly CMC may never be the same.  Chubba is decent but he not a bell cow beast mode dude. Need to add to the committee.  Abdullah, Chubba and a rookie bruiser.  I am interested in developing BC at left tackle but the interior line needs upgrading.  I like what I've seen from tommy tremble but Ian could be upgraded.  A tremble clone would be nice.  Tough willing blocker with better hands than Ian.  So QB....  Yep we all know.   Six positions, four of which are really important.  QB and the oline.  

Not sure if I agree regarding Chuba.  I hear this a lot and I just shake my head.

Now, I do agree that Chuba will never be a bruiser of a runner.  If that's what we want, no, he won't be that.  But we could easily look at him the day we drafted him and see that he wasn't that guy.

With runners you need to take the line into consideration.  We know ours is bad.  The question is, how bad and how much does it affect our perception of our runners.

I can answer it, at least partially.

Chuba averages 1.6 yards before contact, and overall averages 3.46 yards per carry.  This is, as expected, on the low end.  Now, let's say that Chuba was running behind the Minnesota line.  Dalvin Cook went over 1000 yards this year.  They were good, not exceptional, but good.

Cook averages 2.6 yards before contact and 4.6 yards per carry overall.  Do you see where this is going?  If Chuba got 2.6 yards before contact, he'd be averaging 4.4 yards per carry and we'd be looking at him in a completely different way.  Maybe not as a high end back, but probably as a VERY serviceable runner with the ability to break one if the blocking actually, you know, blocks sometimes.

The other thing about Chuba is that he does have that big play in him.  If we had a line that could block and allow him to make that cut farther down field, he'd probably break a few for us.  I'm not saying he's CMC or Joe Mixon or Jonathan Taylor.  But he's not what we often make him out to be.

The difference between the pass game and the run game is that in the pass game the QB can go to a hot read and get the ball out quickly if the line can't hold up.  Well, a good QB can anyway, no comment on Darnold.  But in the run game, you are completely dependent upon your line to make the play work.  If they don't block it right, the play is generally going to be bad.

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