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Panthers 2021 QBs rank #41 and #42 out of 32 NFL teams


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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's probably worth asking the question in a broader context.

Among the revelations that have come out in recent months about the Panthers locker room was a note that this team’s roster is considered by many to be the least “merit based” in the NFL, including on it players who likely wouldn’t make any other roster in the league but are here because of Matt Rhule.

 

In a similar vein, prior to this year, the majority of Matt Rhule’s coaching staff was made up of either guys who’d followed him from place to place or guys with whom he had some prior familiarity directly or through connections.

 

This offseason though, Rhule was forced to chose to hire assistant coaches with actual NFL experience.

 

So what happens when the guys who just joined up start giving honest opinions about those non-merit based roster spots?

 

Right, and my comment was more hyperbolic than anything. It's perfectly clear that Rhule has 'his guys' and favors them even to the detriment of the team. I'm sure every coach has their favorites but most seem to at least make sure they can play at an NFL level.

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1 hour ago, KSpan said:

Right, and my comment was more hyperbolic than anything. It's perfectly clear that Rhule has 'his guys' and favors them even to the detriment of the team. I'm sure every coach has their favorites but most seem to at least make sure they can play at an NFL level.

Well to be fair, Rhule can't coach at the NFL level sooo... 😕

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TB5 was 18th, fwiw.  As much as I didn't like him when he was here, we should have kept him.  And our picks.  And drafted a QB.

He's exactly the right guy to hold the ship steady while you coach up a prospect and build the team.  We probably would have won 7 games this year with TB5.  We've have a prospect learning, we'd have a bunch of picks still in hand for this draft and a much better cap situation.

I was one of the ones who wanted TB gone.  Can't take it back.  However, someone down there on Mint Street should have seen the situation for what it really was and made a better call.

 

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17 hours ago, BrianS said:

TB5 was 18th, fwiw.  As much as I didn't like him when he was here, we should have kept him.  And our picks.  And drafted a QB.

He's exactly the right guy to hold the ship steady while you coach up a prospect and build the team.  We probably would have won 7 games this year with TB5.  We've have a prospect learning, we'd have a bunch of picks still in hand for this draft and a much better cap situation.

I was one of the ones who wanted TB gone.  Can't take it back.  However, someone down there on Mint Street should have seen the situation for what it really was and made a better call.

 

TB5 was gone because he criticized the coaching staff. At the time I was pissed too and wanted him gone, but turns out he was telling it like it is and Rhule couldn’t handle it.

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18 hours ago, BrianS said:

TB5 was 18th, fwiw.  As much as I didn't like him when he was here, we should have kept him.  And our picks.  And drafted a QB.

For real.  And what kind of coach doesn't draft a QB?  Every coach in recent memory always drafts a guy.  Most of the time you're coming into a situation where the team stinks, and they need a QB.  It's crazy to think Rhule decided to bet on Teddy Bridgewater and Sam Darnold instead of just drafting a guy.

Is it hubris or just stupidity?

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