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Baker Mayfield is a Carolina Panther

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9 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why does this staff think it can take other teams qbs and make them good?  This is the 3rd time now that we have gotten a poo qb that has had numerous staffs that couldnt change them.  Where in the fug does rhules confidence come from?  This is insane

Baker is good and has the potential to be great. Why does everyone on here need to be so freaking negative?

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10 hours ago, Kentucky Panther said:

I will root for him, and the team will be better this year because of him. But long term I think this hurts. We were free and clear to cut Rhule and Darnold after this season, all the while probably picking top 5. 
 

Baker isn’t the long term answer and now I’m not sure we will find a legitimate one in the draft. 

All blind hope. 

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2 hours ago, rippadonn said:

They will ruin Matt Corral, his desire, confidence. The kid knows he's better than they're treating him.

I didn't want us to trade to Baker, but if all it takes is having Baker on the team in 2022 to "ruin Corral, his desire, confidence", then Corral was never gonna be a franchise guy anyway. Franchise QBs are made of sterner stuff.

I do think having Baker and Sam on the roster will severely slow Corral's development. That's the issue.

Here's my thinking: Rhule really needs to declare a starter before the August 13th game. That's just a little over a month away. August 13th is the second preseason game. That's the "dress rehearsal" game. Ideally, you'd like your starter in place by that point. And I hate to break to you, but Sam is going to look good in training camp. He's a better athlete than Baker--bigger, faster, and stronger. With no pass rush to deal with, he won't hit the panic button you see in live action.

That makes a tough decision for Rhule and the staff. My concern is TC camp reps will get split 50/50 between Sam and Baker in the QB competition. That leaves very few reps for Corral to develop. 

Once the regular season starts, nearly all the reps go to the starter. This again leaves few reps for Corral. 

Now, maybe the "competition" talk is just that, talk and Baker is the guy. Or maybe they move Sam before TC. If that changes, it will change how I feel, but how I feel today can't be based on maybe. 

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10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Speaking objectively...

This is a really well administered trade when you look at what we gave up and what we're paying.

Speaking personally...

I'm not a Baker Mayfield fan, but I'll hope for the best.

These are my thoughts on this. 

We have made our QB room better. 

I know this upsets the fans that don't want us to win at all this season, but I don't give a fug for anyone that wants us to lose.

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30 minutes ago, trueblade said:

I didn't want us to trade to Baker, but if all it takes is having Baker on the team in 2022 to "ruin Corral, his desire, confidence", then Corral was never gonna be a franchise guy anyway. Franchise QBs are made of sterner stuff.

I do think having Baker and Sam on the roster will severely slow Corral's development. That's the issue.

Here's my thinking: Rhule really needs to declare a starter before the August 13th game. That's just a little over a month away. August 13th is the second preseason game. That's the "dress rehearsal" game. Ideally, you'd like your starter in place by that point. And I hate to break to you, but Sam is going to look good in training camp. He's a better athlete than Baker--bigger, faster, and stronger. With no pass rush to deal with, he won't hit the panic button you see in live action.

That makes a tough decision for Rhule and the staff. My concern is TC camp reps will get split 50/50 between Sam and Baker in the QB competition. That leaves very few reps for Corral to develop. 

Once the regular season starts, nearly all the reps go to the starter. This again leaves few reps for Corral. 

Now, maybe the "competition" talk is just that, talk and Baker is the guy. Or maybe they move Sam before TC. If that changes, it will change how I feel, but how I feel today can't be based on maybe. 

They want to bring him on slowly anyway.. He was a developmental project when we drafted.. Getting 2nd or 3rd QB reps for a full season is what they wanted when they drafted him.. It doesn't hurt his development if it was the plan all along...

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18 minutes ago, trueblade said:

I didn't want us to trade to Baker, but if all it takes is having Baker on the team in 2022 to "ruin Corral, his desire, confidence", then Corral was never gonna be a franchise guy anyway. Franchise QBs are made of sterner stuff.

I do think having Baker and Sam on the roster will severely slow Corral's development. That's the issue.

Here's my thinking: Rhule really needs to declare a starter before the August 13th game. That's just a little over a month away. August 13th is the second preseason game. That's the "dress rehearsal" game. Ideally, you'd like your starter in place by that point. And I hate to break to you, but Sam is going to look good in training camp. He's a better athlete than Baker--bigger, faster, and stronger. With no pass rush to deal with, he won't hit the panic button you see in live action.

That makes a tough decision for Rhule and the staff. My concern is TC camp reps will get split 50/50 between Sam and Baker in the QB competition. That leaves very few reps for Corral to develop. 

Once the regular season starts, nearly all the reps go to the starter. This again leaves few reps for Corral. 

Now, maybe the "competition" talk is just that, talk and Baker is the guy. Or maybe they move Sam before TC. If that changes, it will change how I feel, but how I feel today can't be based on maybe. 

You've made my point. Totally agree. There will be few reps for Corral with the starters, nobody grows on the bench. Matt was groomed to be a QB1. He believes it. He wants it. He worked just as hard or maybe harder than Sam and Baker, both failed experiments.

The Browns KNOW Baker is not getting you anywhere. Don't you think THEY hoped and wished for something that just wasn't true? Let's not be delusional. The Jets KNEW Sam would never progress, both are very very flawed. Neither should be playing ahead of Corral as failures. Neither has an ounce of upside left.  What's the message? Be horrible at your job get 19mill? Bad business.

Sam, who sucks and Baker, who sucks were given the opportunity as rookies. Go back to last year and all the pundits were calling for Corral to be a first rounder. What changed? What really changed?

I just think Corral deserves the opportunity. I believe he's much more dynamic, a faster release, a faster thinker/reaction and a better leader of men than both of those failures. Matt Corral can say he lead a team to more wins than they imagined.

Sam? Baker? Losses. They know losing.

The Panthers are too busy taking out the trash for bottom dwellers like the Jets and Browns instead of doing what's best. What's best is putting the past behind us and finally beginning the future at QB. Kicking the can and hooking up another buddy or another buddies boy reeks of good ol' boy non merit based decisions.

Sam always looks good in practice/theory but his stats and success rate are always horrible. Baker is like the Browns have said, too short, too slow, too cocky.

I can't applaud this move. It delays the work that needs to be done NOW. 

 

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6 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

These are my thoughts on this. 

We have made our QB room better. 

I know this upsets the fans that don't want us to win at all this season, but I don't give a fug for anyone that wants us to lose.

Marginally better and thats even debatable.

 

I dont want us to lose, I want us to have a plan.  And trading for this dumb dumb on a year contract isnt a plan. 

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6 hours ago, WOW!! said:

They want to bring him on slowly anyway.. He was a developmental project when we drafted.. Getting 2nd or 3rd QB reps for a full season is what they wanted when they drafted him.. It doesn't hurt his development if it was the plan all along...

Yep. I love how people are acting like Corral was a top 10 pick who is ready to go week one. If he can’t beat out Baker and Sam in training camp, then let him sit and learn. If we have the next great QB in Corral, sitting and waiting won’t hurt him (see Rodgers and Mahomes).

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28 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

It`s so dumb the NFL allowed DBs and LBs to have QB numbers.

Some of those will clear up once we're down to a regular season roster limit.

The Panthers are going to want that settled quickly though. There's jerseys to sell.

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