Baker Mayfield is a Carolina Panther

[jayboogieman]

1 hour ago, CBDellinger said:

Corral is 3rd round QB... lol at all of you thinking he was gonna start this year. Furthermore sitting him for a year wont hurt him.  And yes they will see plenty of him IN PRACTICE.  Which is perfect.  Throwing a mid round talent right into the fire is a great way to ruin a prospect.

 

 

Strictly speaking as a fan, I wanted to see Corral start so the team either A) knows he is something worth building around or B) he plays so poorly the Panthers end up in prime position to take one of the top QBs in next year's draft.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nobody is against winning.

What people fear is a short-term flash in the pan leading to an extended investment that turns out to not be worth it. Imagine, for example, that we had given Sam Darnold a big extension based on the first four games of last year.

Heck, it wouldn't be the first time it happened to this team. Jerry Richardson gave Dom Capers a ten year guaranteed contract extension based on the 1996 season and look what happened after that.

A lot of people don't believe in Matt Rhule and could very easily see a similar thing happening with him.

(I'm one of them)

Goddang this is poetry and exactly how I feel

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

 

Not bad.

[Tr3ach]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nobody is against winning.

What people fear is a short-term flash in the pan leading to an extended investment that turns out to not be worth it. Imagine, for example, that we had given Sam Darnold a big extension based on the first four games of last year.

Heck, it wouldn't be the first time it happened to this team. Jerry Richardson gave Dom Capers a ten year guaranteed contract extension based on the 1996 season and look what happened after that.

A lot of people don't believe in Matt Rhule and could very easily see a similar thing happening with him.

(I'm one of them)

If he plays great and you arent sure about what to do then you franchise him and make him do it again.   If hes great two years then your question is kind of answered.   If hes mediocre hes gone or cheap.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not going to make a decision like that based on stats, or win-loss record.

I want to see how he plays.

Thats what I would do with Corral not with a 5th year vet like baker.  He needs wins and stats to get a new deal. 

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

For all of you guys that like the trade you still will not answer the question. 

 

If we are drafting in the 20's are you comfortable giving mayfield a monster deal or franchise tagging him? 

 

Say he duplicates his 2020 stats, you willing to go all in with him?

I would tag his ass and see if he can do it again.  If he can then he earns a contract.  If not then we cut him lose with no additional financial loss (outside of that big tag hit for the year).  

[rebelrouser]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

For all of you guys that like the trade you still will not answer the question. 

 

If we are drafting in the 20's are you comfortable giving mayfield a monster deal or franchise tagging him? 

 

Say he duplicates his 2020 stats, you willing to go all in with him?

That's the problem. I can't see the long term plan here. 

[CanadianCat]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

For all of you guys that like the trade you still will not answer the question. 

 

If we are drafting in the 20's are you comfortable giving mayfield a monster deal or franchise tagging him? 

 

Say he duplicates his 2020 stats, you willing to go all in with him?

I like the trade. Unless Baker lights it up I dont think he gets a monster deal. Assuming 2020 stats and we dont draft a QB in round 1 I think he gets tagged as a 'prove it year' or signs a short 3 year deal that gets redone if he turns it on. 

His 'next' contract Im not worried about at all. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, jayboogieman said:

Strictly speaking as a fan, I wanted to see Corral start so the team either A) knows he is something worth building around or B) he plays so poorly the Panthers end up in prime position to take one of the top QBs in next year's draft.

Yep, this isnt hard.  Quit trying to be cute and save your job.  In reality if MC plays and looks good to decent that alone will buy Rhule more time.  Shitting the bed with Baker is most def going to get your ass fired and maybe fitts as well

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, trueblade said:

"He can make that money back via on-field incentives."

That means those are in the contract as "not likely to be earned" NLTBE.  If those are earned, they are charged to the following year’s Salary Cap. 

In other words, if Baker balls out, he's going to cost us next year's cap.

That would be a nice problem to have, right?  

[CanadianCat]

2 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

That's the problem. I can't see the long term plan here. 

But that is a plan... and a sound one financially as well.

[Carl Spackler]

What does Dr. Lunker think of all this?

Has he posted a tweet and tagged disgraced former UNC basketball coach Matt Doherty yet?

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

If he plays great and you arent sure about what to do then you franchise him and make him do it again.   If hes great two years then your question is kind of answered.   If hes mediocre hes gone or cheap.

He has never played "great". 

[poundaway]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That was Cleveland's only playoff year in how long???  They were the worst team in the entire league and he had them in the playoffs in year three.  Not too bad considered he was playing for such a terribly ran organization.  I get the OL was good, but how am I suppose to hold that against him?  Brady usually has a good OL, Manning always had a great one, Brees always had a good one.  

Cleveland didn't have the best OL in football when they were the worst team in the league. 

The point is, Baker is not going to perform better in Carolina than he did in Cleveland because the OL, RB contingent and WR group were very very good during his time there.  He didn't throw for that many yards in 2020 anyway.  Teddy had more yards here in 2020.  Cleveland was one of the best running teams in he league.

I'm not saying Baker sucks.  I'm saying its unlikely that Baker will play better here.  He's better than Sam, its just hard to say how much.  Sam never, ever, had the #1 OL in the NFL at the end of the end of the season.  Ever.    What would Baker's career look like at the Jets and then Carolina last year?