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Panthers "listening" on Shaq Thompson also

Mr. Scot

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*FreeFua* Grand Master

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14 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Batted passes count towards his pass rush ability. 

So to you that’s worth giving him a big contract (he’ll want to be one of the highest paid DT’s when his time comes) and losing out on more picks when we’re essentially starting a rebuild all over and lack draft capital?

 

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4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

So to you that’s worth giving him a big contract (he’ll want to be one of the highest paid DT’s when his time comes) and losing out on more picks when we’re essentially starting a rebuild all over and lack draft capital?

 

We are a QB and a coach away from being pretty good.

You aren't going to get a good coach if there is nothing to work with.

Yes we need other pieces but a total gutting throws away 5 years or more and we are out of the rookie QB window.

So no I'm getting rid of all our best players to be phucking mediocre one and done in the playoffs. 

Superbowl or number one pick every year ideally. I don't give a schit about consistently winning 10 or 11 games with no ring. F that bs.

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Yea we should take whatever we can get for Shaq. One good year in five or six or however long he’s been here isn’t enough. He’s a prime example of big cap space that should be shed because he’s not really helping the team in the future. Totally different than CMC, Burns, Brown, Chinn, the rest of these guys being foolishly brought up. 

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3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

could you get a 5th for him?

I think you could get a 3rd for him. What linebacker doesn’t seem overpaid that’s making $14mil/year or more?

The problem with Shaq is the same problem as everyone on our defense…they’re being asked to play out of position. Shaq isn’t a MLB. He’s a WLB or a Big Nickel. It’s kinda funny that he was really the Chinn before Chinn. Then we asked him to be a pure linebacker as the next TD and he gets eaten up by OL.

So we took a linebacker that was a good cover LB and a really good blitzing LB and forced him into the box at the same time we lost Keuchly. So….no wonder the dude didn’t live up to billing. I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes to Buffalo or Washington and lights it up. In fact if he played for Buffalo as a big nickel he’d be a stud. Can you imagine them lining up Von Miller on the edge with Shaq and Tremaine Edmunds behind him. You’d have zero idea where the rush was coming from. 

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15 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

We are a QB and a coach away from being pretty good.

You aren't going to get a good coach if there is nothing to work with.

Yes we need other pieces but a total gutting throws away 5 years or more and we are out of the rookie QB window.

So no I'm getting rid of all our best players to be phucking mediocre one and done in the playoffs. 

Superbowl or number one pick every year ideally. I don't give a schit about consistently winning 10 or 11 games with no ring. F that bs.

I agree with your last part

No rookie QB and new coach are coming here next year and winning a SB

At best if we hit on our QB next in the draft we’re looking at being very competitive in 2025 (that’s best case scenario). Year 3 with our new QB and QB. The same year a new Derrick Brown deal would kick in. I’ll take the picks and new rookie deal with some extra cap space instead of a Derrick Brown contract

I’m strictly talking Shaq, CMC and Derrick Brown. Burns, Chinn, Horn, unless someone is giving us the moon I’m keeping them. Although of those 3 I’m open to listening most on Chinn. 

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2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I agree with your last part

No rookie QB and new coach are coming here next year and winning a SB

At best if we hit on our QB next in the draft we’re looking at being very competitive in 2025 (that’s best case scenario). Year 3 with our new QB and QB. The same year a new Derrick Brown deal would kick in. I’ll take the picks and new rookie deal with some extra cap space instead of a Derrick Brown contract

I’m strictly talking Shaq, CMC and Derrick Brown. Burns, Chinn, Horn, unless someone is giving us the moon I’m keeping them. Although of those 3 I’m open to listening most on Chinn. 

You can Franchise him if you feel close.

You also have no idea what the cap will be like or what he's going to ask for 

We are not getting his level production from the draft in that time span. We just aren't so you roll with him.

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4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I agree with your last part

No rookie QB and new coach are coming here next year and winning a SB

At best if we hit on our QB next in the draft we’re looking at being very competitive in 2025 (that’s best case scenario). Year 3 with our new QB and QB. The same year a new Derrick Brown deal would kick in. I’ll take the picks and new rookie deal with some extra cap space instead of a Derrick Brown contract

I’m strictly talking Shaq, CMC and Derrick Brown. Burns, Chinn, Horn, unless someone is giving us the moon I’m keeping them. Although of those 3 I’m open to listening most on Chinn. 

I'm not deal Brown Cmac Horn for less than 2 firsts.

Burns I'd let go for a 2nd and 3rd or 1 first.

Chinn isn't that good really unless we find a way to use him better. He's an average FS

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I really would hope the Panthers do not shop talented championship leadership. That is hard to replace. You keep them and build around them as long as they can play/produce.

4 defense and 5 offense is the key. Shaq and Chinn are the only qualified defenders to build around. CMC, Corbett, and Bozeman are the only ones qualified on offense. Then you surround them with as much freakish talent as possible that will follow them.

Moton, Ickey (guard), Moore(#2), Burns (pass specialist), Brown (pass specialist), Horn, and Luvu (pass specialist) will be the only ones to keep if they follow the leaders. Could trade them. CJ may be on this list.

Don't trade the leaders!

Need 2 more leaders on offense and 2 more leaders on defense to build any type of reliable foundation for a championship team.

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We are gonna cut him next year anyways just like we were Robby, too many needs that 13 million in cap savings can help with.  We arent getting a 3rd, you'd need to look a the Deion Jones trade which was literally a move up from the 7th to the 6th round to get a probable comp.  LBs dont get traded for much in the NFL, but we should still trade him it'll be better than getting nothing for him in the offseason.  No need to over value players that arent gonna be here.

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Any vets not on the o-line should be available for trade. We need to get younger and let the vets go play for better teams. However, vets on the o-line need to stay in order to protect our 2023 rookie QB. I don't want much turnover on the o-line, so Moton stays imo. We might want to upgrade Pat to a better center in FA or the draft, but no downgrades.

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