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Besides Young and Stroud, no other QB has me sold they would be a clear upgrade over PJ.

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14 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

You think Hooker is the best in this class? He is the definition of a system QB. Look at every QB and their stats who has played for Heupel. I believe his last protege to be drafted in the 1st round was Drew Lock. People said many of the same things about Lock as they are saying about Hooker. It's a systems thing. Even C.J. Stroud makes me pause because literally everyone who plays in that offense puts up mind boggling numbers. Why? The talent surrounding them, generally, has the potential to develop into star NFL players. It's like playing on an All-Star team against the worst team in Little League 90% of the time. You see who guys really are when they get to the top.

For Hooker, you may see who he is against Georgia. For Stroud you see who he is against Michigan. That's not because those are the best teams but because those are the teams you match-up with talent wise. I won't even say Alabama for Hooker because it was painfully obvious his success was largely due to the scheme getting Hyatt wide ass open all day long. Sure, Hooker hit the throw but you're not going to get guys that open. I want tight window throws accross the field, 40 yard ropes into the bucket, escapability, the ability to read the defense pre and post snap. I just am not sold on Hooker, at all, especially where he may end up being drafted. 

If you put Hooker with someone like Andy Reid he may be able to succeed because Andy Reid is the best offensive football coach, potentially ever. However we aren't going to have Andy Reid or anyone that can hold his jock.

That said, I don't see anyone I'd rather have over Will Anderson over any of them. You have to go best player available if you have a Top 10 pick. Many people here were wondering WTF we were doing when we drafted Kuechly because we had Jon Beason and Thomas Davis. Well that worked out well. Many people wondered why we drafted Short and Star back to back, that worked out well. You go BPA and good things tend to happen. 

I'd also trade Horn if we could get a 1st rounder back. Then I'd spend that on an inside linebacker or safety. Cornerbacks help, but they don't win games. They can't take over games the way linebackers and pass rushers do. The value just isn't there if the rest of your defense isn't built.

We have the best inside LB history in the league during our time in the league yet we have a losing record. IMO, a big part of that losing record has been over-investing in the wrong positions. Mainly off the ball LBs and RBs.

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42 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have the best inside LB history in the league during our time in the league yet we have a losing record. IMO, a big part of that losing record has been over-investing in the wrong positions. Mainly off the ball LBs and RBs.

So are you arguing that drafting Luke was a mistake?  Or they should have traded him?

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39 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Look harder, if someone likes Hooker they better like Teddy Bridgewater.  Very similar players

Huh? Don’t see that comp at all. Hooker throws more deep balls and is bigger/faster. His offense just gets his WRs wide open down the field so it’s hard to see how he can play with tight coverage. Teddy is a check down accurate pocket passer.

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33 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Huh? Don’t see that comp at all. Hooker throws more deep balls and is bigger/faster. His offense just gets his WRs wide open down the field so it’s hard to see how he can play with tight coverage. Teddy is a check down accurate pocket passer.

We disagree which is fine.  Any ideas on why Hooker never did anything before this year?  I’ll be waiting 

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