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Justin Fields 61 yard rushing touchdown

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52 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

when our qb options sit on 11/7/22 are Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and PJ Walker I can safely say not drafting Fields was a mistake, I dont need the rest of the season to make that declaration. 

Not if he doesn't pan out. Drafting a QB in the top 10 that doesn't become a top 10 QB sets you back just as bad if not worse because you might miss the better QB in the next 3 drafts because you are trying to be supportive of your dud.

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I remember being a little upset but not surprised when passed on Fields, definitely thought he was the best at the time just because in my mind he was a "baller". Then through last year I was relieved we did not draft him, fast forward to this season and now I'm wishing my team had him. Conclusion? Evaluating/drafting a QB is incredibly difficult and a QB's progression is NEVER linear, that applies to other positions too. 

My "baller" award for the 2023 QB class? It's Bryce freaking Young and I've been singing CJ Stroud's praises all season. That's changed as the year has gone along. 

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On 11/6/2022 at 3:00 PM, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

yep people need to learn a lesson and admit they are wrong

But we as fans arent the evaluators. We can want who we want, it wont change a thing. I wanted Fields too but still dont matter. That 61 yard run didnt do a damn thing for the Panthers. So I dont know why its in the Panthers forum.

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On 11/6/2022 at 2:59 PM, Growl said:

it’s not about the nfl

its about how wrong people here are about their QB evaluations

including the bears lmao

Nobody was wrong abt Fields. He's a guy who stood in the pocket and wanted to take deepshots but was an electric runner. He's upside and work ethic were reported by a lot of people, but he's been exactly what everyone thought he would be so far. 

Surprise! When he started running he found more success, and nobody is surprised by that at all.  That doesn't take away his flaws. There's literally nothing to indicate he's matured as a passer yet -- and yes I know the bears supporting cast and coaching staff is abysmal but counterpoint so are ours lol -- but I'll happily eat crow if he does so. I rly liked Fields' arm talent coming out of college and I liked him more than Zach "Jake Locker" Wilson.

I really don't get why be mad abt Fields but it's not abt that u just wanna be smug and right when we all know evaluating QB success is impossible in the nfl.

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1 hour ago, Rags said:

including the bears lmao

Nobody was wrong abt Fields. He's a guy who stood in the pocket and wanted to take deepshots but was an electric runner. He's upside and work ethic were reported by a lot of people, but he's been exactly what everyone thought he would be so far. 

Surprise! When he started running he found more success, and nobody is surprised by that at all.  That doesn't take away his flaws. There's literally nothing to indicate he's matured as a passer yet -- and yes I know the bears supporting cast and coaching staff is abysmal but counterpoint so are ours lol -- but I'll happily eat crow if he does so. I rly liked Fields' arm talent coming out of college and I liked him more than Zach "Jake Locker" Wilson.

I really don't get why be mad abt Fields but it's not abt that u just wanna be smug and right when we all know evaluating QB success is impossible in the nfl.

I think it’s because a lot of the “he’s a bust” and “he’ll never succeed in the nfl” folks were total asses to folks who thought he was going to be fine. 

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On 11/6/2022 at 10:59 PM, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

mouthbreathers will say we need to draft will anderson and to wait for a qb to come out of college that throws for 800 yards every game with no interceptions

So basically, if you don't believe the QBs in this draft are worthy of a 1st round pick they are mouthbreathers?  What makes you the expert on QBs?

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44 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

So basically, if you don't believe the QBs in this draft are worthy of a 1st round pick they are mouthbreathers?  What makes you the expert on QBs?

That's like saying we should have gone QB over Ickey in last years draft. Just because we need a QB doesn't mean you reach for one because there was a narrative 8 months ago that this QB class was better than last year. The tank crowd can't even decide on which QB is the #1 sure thing because they are all flawed

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2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

So basically, if you don't believe the QBs in this draft are worthy of a 1st round pick they are mouthbreathers?  What makes you the expert on QBs?

i mean normally i'd disagree but Will Anderson isn't a Chase Young/Myles Garett type prospect.

And sure, you can say that abt the QBs at the top of this draft but with our need for someone, literally anyone to throw the football competently and the fact that Will Anderson isn't that type of prospect.

Yea you roll with QB at the top of that draft. If you're wrong at QB its still the right pick.  

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1 hour ago, Rags said:

Yea you roll with QB at the top of that draft. If you're wrong at QB its still the right pick

You don't waste a top 5 pick on a QB that MIGHT be the answer.  You have to be 100% sure that he is going to be the answer.  We already have a QB that might be the answer on the roster. 

Rhule kind of screwed us by not giving Corral Reps with the 1st string offense during camp, so now we are stuck with an unknown.  

I'd rather take another position of need than to reach.  Stroud doesn't impress me.  He looked terrible against a team they should have blown out.  I know the wind was a factor, but he wasn't good at all.  IMO. 

Young, is a very intriguing prospect but he also has major issue that he will face in the NFL.

It's going to come down to Fitterer and our staff as to whether any of them have a much greater upside than Corral.  If we pass on a QB in round 1 they may be able to wait until the early 2nd and still get a QB that has skills to play in the NFL. 

I don't think it is a bad idea to trade down, get 2 first for our pick.  One in 23 and one in 24 and if Corral doesn't pan out, we can package those to picks to get a better QB prospect in 2024. 

I, nor anyone here, is a professional scout and can say one way or the other how good a QB is in this draft. I have my opinion but that's just my opinion.   If we end up choosing a QB (Stroud, Young or any of these QBs) I will be onboard with that decision.  I just believe going into the 1st round with our only focus on a QB only is a mistake. We shouldn't draft one just because we need one when their skillset might not translate to the NFL. 

We'll see. 

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