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It’s simple, if Fitt is GM and he’s available, Bryce Young will be the guy.

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Schneider was the guy who was all in on Russ during the draft process. Fitterer was initially skeptical, as I'm sure many scouts were. He came around on Russ, and the pick worked out so that may have altered his thinking.

There was an article posted on here during the off-season that detailed the process with quotes from Fitterer himself.

As for Young, I really want to see his true Combine measurements.

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@JawnyBlaze Posted a good video analysis on B. Young.  I think those that pass on him are going to regret it.  His size is questionable but, I don't think it is going to change his production.

If you forced me to take a QB today.  I would have to say Young is at the top.  It's a huge gamble but his upside is pretty impressive. 

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On 11/8/2022 at 8:51 PM, nctommy said:

I have been a Panther fan since day 1, a member of this board for over a decade, and read it daily, but never posted.  I think we all can agree that for whatever reason, college coaches historically do not do well in the NFL and with that in mind, there are other historical college-to-NFL facts that everyone seems to disregard.  No quarterback, and only 3 players in history, have ever won the national championship, the Heisman trophy, and a Super b owl.  Only 2 quarterbacks have ever won a Heisman and a super b owl, Jim Plunkett and Roger Staubach.  Only 2 quarterbacks have ever won both championships but not the Heisman, Joe Montana and Joe Namath.  While getting the right QB is crucial in the NFL, the historical trends seem to be against these high-profile, Heisman award-winning, and/or college-champion quarterbacks lifting the Lombardi for some reason, especially in the last 35-40 years.  So if winning it all is the goal, do we roll the dice on beating the historical trends like Tepper did hiring Rhule?  The Panthers already have a quarterback with similar college stats, stature, accolades and hype when he came out in Baker Mayfield, but everyone wants him gone.  So why is Bryce Young going to be different than all the others before him and beat the odds?  Ask yourself.  Do they peak too early or are they just a product of college team success and award rankings hype only?    So I worry about drafting any QB with a Heisman(Panthers have had 4, w 2 by free agency/trade) or national championship (Panthers have had 2 both drafted, maybe give a 1/2 for Kerry Collins almost national championship LOL) on his resume, just like I did the day Matt Rhule was hired.  History seems to be against Bryce Young winning it all in the NFL at this point, regardless of his size issues.  So picking him, we are hoping he beats the trend or we face another decade without a SB win.  https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/joe-burrow-super-bowl-heisman-college-championship/pfp6kmfx6equuz9gfgddtleb

So first, nice well thought out good post. You shouldn't have taken so long for it.

Second....what is your solution, then.

I hear plenty of people make the same argument against drafting one early, which I understand, but that's all they do. That's not good enough. Come up with a solution. 

 

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3 minutes ago, rayzor said:

So first, nice well thought out good post. You shouldn't have taken so long for it.

Second....what is your solution, then.

I hear plenty of people make the same argument against drafting one early, which I understand, but that's all they do. That's not good enough. Come up with a solution. 

 

They hope players like Corral turn into a franchise guy because Montana, Brady and Wilson weren’t first round picks 

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5 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

@JawnyBlaze Posted a good video analysis on B. Young.  I think those that pass on him are going to regret it.  His size is questionable but, I don't think it is going to change his production.

If you forced me to take a QB today.  I would have to say Young is at the top.  It's a huge gamble but his upside is pretty impressive. 

I’m still team Stroud but I’d be happy with Young too 🙂

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Alabama great QB's  that translate to the  NFL game.  

Joe Namath, Kenny Stabler, Bart Star . 

NONE IN THE LAST 30 years.  Yet the NFL teams keep drafting them.   UNC, NCSU and DUKE have better QB's than Alabama in the NFL over the last 30 years. ( probably an exaggeration , but you know what i mean )

SAY NO TO PROPOSITION 1  Bryce Young. 

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    • CRA
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By CRA · Posted

      I don't need that many words to say Bryce Young has not yet surpassed the caliber of QB play that current Joe Flacco represents.   I have watched every game Bryce has played.  He doesn't give you average QB play.   He can't make a ton of throws.  Bryce is consistent overall in what he is.  You can take outlier games on both ends of the spectrum out of play and judge him or any QB.....for Bryce it is unquestioned bottom of the league play.  All you have to do is watch the two play.  Flacco is good enough that if you can keep up right and give him time.....he presents a level of play Bryce can't do as a passer  
    • ForJimmy
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By ForJimmy · Posted

      Not sure.  Which ones have more GWDs in the same time frame?
    • MasterAwesome
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By MasterAwesome · Posted

      You kinda gloss over this, but this is really at the crux of this whole argument....which Flacco are we talking here?  You bring up that he played with 3 different teams but ignore the fact that his performance varied quite a bit from team to team. 2024 Colts: 65.3% completion, 12 TDs, 7 INTs, 220.1 YPG, 7.1 Y/A, 90.5 rating 2025 Browns: 58.1% completion, 2 TDs, 6 INTs, 203.8 YPG, 5.1 Y/A, 60.3 rating 2025 Bengals: 63.4% completion, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 290.6 YPG, 6.8 Y/A, 96.2 rating 2025 Flacco (Browns + Bengals): 61.1% completion, 14 TDs, 9 INTs, 252.0 YPG, 6.1 Y/A, 80.8 rating vs. 2025 Bryce: 62.7% completion, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 196.2 YPG, 6.2 Y/A, 86.0 rating I bolded the comparison that I think objectively makes the most sense...just simply comparing the two QBs for the entire season.  Otherwise you'd be cherry-picking Flacco's time with the Bengals and ignoring his earlier stint with the Browns, which sounds an awful lot like people cherry-picking Bryce's stats in the second half of last season. So again, which Flacco?  Basically the only thing consistent with Flacco across each of these teams was his W/L records: 2-4, 1-3, and 1-4 respectively.  I'd say if we're comparing each version of him to Bryce this year: Colts Flacco > 2025 Bryce, Browns Flacco <<< 2025 Bryce, Bengals Flacco >> 2025 Bryce, and 2025 Flacco < 2025 Bryce - Flacco this year only beats out Bryce on YPG but in part because he throws significantly more passes (almost 60 YPG more than Bryce, despite a lower Y/A which is pretty telling) .  Flacco is maybe the most apt case study about how important a QB's circumstances are to his success.  He was easily a bottom 3 QB in Cleveland and arguably top 10-15 in Cincinnati...and we're talking about the same player from the same season.  All that happened was taking him from one team and plopping him onto another team; nothing inherently changed about him as a QB.  Funny enough I think that's all that one dude on here was trying to say when he made that long poorly-received post after having an epiphany working for PFF behind the scenes or w/e.  That it's largely short-sighted to just try to evaluate QBs in a vacuum when there are so many variables at play that ultimately decide whether a QB is successful or not.   I think Bryce has been mediocre at best this season and I'm ready to move on regardless of how he ends this season - I'm highly skeptical a strong end to the season will carry over into next year considering how last year ended and this year began.  I would certainly agree that he's a bottom-third QB this year.  I just don't understand you scoffing indignantly at anyone holding the opinion that Bryce has had a better season than Flacco...I can only assume it's recency bias.  Or maybe you know the stats don't support you, which is why you're conjuring up the god-forsaken arbitrary "eyeball test" which is the kinda thing people in here were saying about Fields for years, pinky promising that he really truly was a franchise QB despite his awful stats.  Perhaps it's called the eyeball test because I roll my eyes anytime I hear someone bring it up seriously as an argument.
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