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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The teams that suck perennially suck because they can't build a good organization because the owner ultimately sucks. And THAT is my biggest fear for the Panthers. Because so far Tepper is looking like he sucks. Hard.

ah poo didnt actually factor tepper in.

maybe hes a wild card, and will change this offseason...... maybe?

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A new coach is going to bring his own atmosphere. Winning some meaningless games this year has zero impact on the future... other than draft position.

i think i just disagree with how something like winning gets taken.

Do you want to convince an absolute loser of a team they good, or

remind a good team in a bad situation that they are good.

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4 minutes ago, Alemanders said:

i think i just disagree with how something like winning gets taken.

Do you want to convince an absolute loser of a team they good, or

remind a good team in a bad situation that they are good.

I want the most draft capital I can possibly get. The talent in the locker room is the talent in the locker room. Them winning 2 games or 5 games last year doesn't have a huge impact overall. They're still a down trodden team needing lifting up and better coaching that's what I was hired to do. Give me all the draft capital to work with to keep building a more talented overall roster.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I want the most draft capital I can possibly get. The talent in the locker room is the talent in the locker room. Them winning 2 games or 5 games last year doesn't have a huge impact overall. They're still a down trodden team needing lifting up and better coaching that's what I was hired to do. Give me all the draft capital to work with to keep building a more talented overall roster.

ok id argue there is a duality in place here. Putting in a good effort and losing sucks less a meaning less win.

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17 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

True enough, except the reality is that Panthers are not a winning franchise. We're not the Chiefs, or the Ravens.

We're the 5 win team.

we kind of are, though. i mean we're not in the top echelon of franchises obviously, but 2 SB appearances and a smattering of deep playoff runs and 12-4 seasons over the past 20 years is more than a whole lot of franchises can say.

at the very least we're as good as a franchise as the modern era Chiefs were before they got Andy Reid and developed a winning culture. that's what i think our priority should be this offseason, finding our Andy Reid more than our Trevor Lawrence.

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4 minutes ago, rodeo said:

we kind of are, though. i mean we're not in the top echelon of franchises obviously, but 2 SB appearances and a smattering of deep playoff runs and 12-4 seasons over the past 20 years is more than a whole lot of franchises can say.

at the very least we're as good as a franchise as the modern era Chiefs were before they got Andy Reid and developed a winning culture. that's what i think our priority should be this offseason, finding our Andy Reid more than our Trevor Lawrence.

We're a losing franchise with a handful of good seasons. We're basically the Bucs over the same time period except they actually got two rings.

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29 minutes ago, rodeo said:

we kind of are, though. i mean we're not in the top echelon of franchises obviously, but 2 SB appearances and a smattering of deep playoff runs and 12-4 seasons over the past 20 years is more than a whole lot of franchises can say.

at the very least we're as good as a franchise as the modern era Chiefs were before they got Andy Reid and developed a winning culture. that's what i think our priority should be this offseason, finding our Andy Reid more than our Trevor Lawrence.

I think you conveniently said “Trevor Lawrence” instead of “Patrick Maholmes”.  Andy Reid didn’t win a Superb Owl until Patty Maholmes.  Coaches are very important don’t get me wrong…. But priority for this panthers team is 100% QB.  Don’t forget, we went to a SB with Ron Rivera and a bunch of JAG WR’s, because of Cam Newton

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6 hours ago, stbugs said:

You could also say that it took a miracle Hail Mary with 12 seconds left just to allow DJ to take his helmet off. You can complain about the penalty and missed kicks but if you are going to replay that game, 9 times out of 10 we don’t score the TD to tie.

We are 2-3 so far but we’ve also played 3 division games going 2-1. We are still 3-1 in the worst division and 0-6 outside the division. Rhule was 1-0 in division and 0-4 out of the division. Look at how bad we got linked in Cincinnati.

Mariota was awful tonight and PJ got really lucky to not throw multiple picks. If Koo hits his extra point and Grant catches that easy interception, we lose. That’s the nature of close games in the NFL. We are 2-3 post Rhule and that’s what we should be. The rest of the year will be interesting because we only have two division games left and both are on the road.

That’s just too much work. So I’ll stick with what i wrote. ❤️

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