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Ellis Williams. Char observer on top 4 QBs Note, This is not in depth

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10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think if darnold plays competent we win a couple more.  I am counting on sunday as a win but if we somehow lose to the broncs I think pick 2 is still in play.

If we lose to the Broncos it’s going to be one of the few losses this year I’m truly baffled by.

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17 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think if darnold plays competent we win a couple more.  I am counting on sunday as a win but if we somehow lose to the broncs I think pick 2 is still in play.

Darnold offers the possibility of an iron clad loss but it's hard to underestimate how terrible Denver is.

I would love to lose out and secure a top 3 pick but it would be much better to beat Denver, IMO.

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6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Darnold offers the possibility of an iron clad loss but it's hard to underestimate how terrible Denver is.

I would love to lose out and secure a top 3 pick but it would be much better to beat Denver, IMO.

Denvers defense is really good but there offense is as equally bad.  I gotta think the home team has the advantage here. 

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1 hour ago, rayzor said:

Please no on Levis.

I'd be ok with any of the other 3. 

This. Yeah, I get the size concerns with Young. Yeah I get the concerns that Stroud might not translate if he was on a lesser team. Yeah, I fully get that Richardson is boom or bust. But damn it, at some point you gotta take your swing. If you whiff swing again.

None of the best young QBs currently in the league were slam dunk prospects. They all had significant question marks.

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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. Yeah, I get the size concerns with Young. Yeah I get the concerns that Stroud might not translate if he was on a lesser team. Yeah, I fully get that Richardson is boom or bust. But damn it, at some point you gotta take your swing. If you whiff swing again.

None of the best young QBs currently in the league were slam dunk prospects. They all had significant question marks.

A boom or bust prospect should at least be somewhat within the boom range.

I am not seeing that for Richardson. Outside of physically looking the part and having a good arm, he has no other valid QB qualities. That's a problem.

Even Levis has times where you clearly see QB qualities in his play. Richardson rarely had any.

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18 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

A boom or bust prospect should at least be somewhat within the boom range.

I am not seeing that for Richardson. Outside of physically looking the part and having a good arm, he has no other valid QB qualities. That's a problem.

Even Levis has times where you clearly see QB qualities in his play. Richardson rarely had any.

Go back and watch Josh Allen in college. You're gonna be shocked.

 

 

When I say he was wildly inaccurate I'm not exaggerating. Dude couldn't hit water from a fuging boat.

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