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mrcompletely11 Grand Master

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31 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

Optimism may not make the team better. But this board, and the world as a whole, would be. 

you do realize there is an ignore feature right?

 

and blindingly supporting this team and not discussing the clusterfug we have been for years would be much more entertaining for sure

 

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24 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean.....surely we are not still pushing the "he's only" narrative anymore, right? Baker Mayfield is only 27, should we keep him around? Johnny Manziel is only 29, maybe give him a shot?

If you want a bridge guy, there are ample amounts of Teddy Bridgewater's, Jimmy G's, Jacoby Brissett's, Taylor Heinickie's, Geno Smith's, Tyrod Taylor's, Andy Dalton's, etc, etc that can fill that game managing veteran role for us. There is quite literally no reason to keep players that have time and time again, unquestionably proven that they are not NFL caliber players.

No matter what direction we go in this offseason, one part of it is going to have to be a decent veteran QB. Even if just as a backup.

There is a huge difference between 24 and 29, but what bothered me about Baker--in Cleveland, he had a good OL, good D, good rbs and good WRs.  He strived to be average.

With Darnold, I see the tools--his issue is between his ears--different coaches, systems, no OL, etc. everywhere he has been--so I get it, but you have to evaluate the situation as much as the individual player.  This is about the system of support and consistency.   Driving on the highway in good weather is not akin to having to off road in a monsoon. 

I get you--I really do--in deep down inside, I know the odds are against Darnold.  But I am an educator who has written books about people who are traumatized and what it takes to save them--you remove the trauma and provide a system of support--it takes time.  Maybe that is not effective in the NFL, but if the tools are there and the "demons and ghosts" are exorcised, maybe there is something there.  Not that we should leave Darnold as the only option, but your opinion of his driving is when he is late (behind), offroad (blitzed), and confused (lack of consistency and support).  For a 24 year old kid in a job that is characterized by vicious attacks and instant gratification expectations, age does matter in my opinion.  Just a perspective--I see your points and fear they are accurate.

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5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

There is a huge difference between 24 and 29, but what bothered me about Baker--in Cleveland, he had a good OL, good D, good rbs and good WRs.  He strived to be average.

With Darnold, I see the tools--his issue is between his ears--different coaches, systems, no OL, etc. everywhere he has been--so I get it, but you have to evaluate the situation as much as the individual player.  This is about the system of support and consistency.   Driving on the highway in good weather is not akin to having to off road in a monsoon. 

I get you--I really do--in deep down inside, I know the odds are against Darnold.  But I am an educator who has written books about people who are traumatized and what it takes to save them--you remove the trauma and provide a system of support--it takes time.  Maybe that is not effective in the NFL, but if the tools are there and the "demons and ghosts" are exorcised, maybe there is something there.  Not that we should leave Darnold as the only option, but your opinion of his driving is when he is late (behind), offroad (blitzed), and confused (lack of consistency and support).  For a 24 year old kid in a job that is characterized by vicious attacks and instant gratification expectations, age does matter in my opinion.  Just a perspective--I see your points and fear they are accurate.

The problem is there is basically no precedent for that kind of turnaround for a first round bust QB. There are dozens of failures of his type and I cannot recall a single one that ever rallied to have much more than a middling career.

I get trying to see that some people can be salvaged but that is also ignoring that, well.....most people can't be. It just is what it is.

Sam Darnold is about the clearest and most obvious example of this I can recall in recent memory. 

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4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

The problem is there is basically no precedent for that kind of turnaround for a first round bust QB. There are dozens of failures of his type and I cannot recall a single one that ever rallied to have much more than a middling career.

I get trying to see that some people can be salvaged but that is also ignoring that, well.....most people can't be. It just is what it is.

Sam Darnold is about the clearest and most obvious example of this I can recall in recent memory. 

The NFL is not a good learning place for somebody beyond their third or fourth year in the league.  By the time they get to year five, teams would much rather try and teach somebody in year one.  They are generally much cheaper and much less tainted by their previous experiences.

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4 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Seahawks - L

Steelers - W

Lions - L

Bucs - L

Saints - W

Panthers can't win away, but Saints are fuging trash. Lions are a lot better now than their early season slump. 

Final record - 6-11

Steelers are improving I wouldn’t pencil that win in just yet 

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