Is there still a case for Wilks?

[Cdparr7]

7 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Here’s my thing: if our division weren’t HISTORICALLY bad, would he be getting anywhere close to as much hype for the head coaching job?

So much has been made about how he “rallied the team to get into the playoff picture!” And that’s true! But we were only in said picture because we’re playing in one of the worst divisions in NFL history.

Like, let’s say one of our division counterparts coasted to the division crown with an 11-12 win season, meaning we were never in the hunt. Is Wilks still a serious candidate for finishing 5-6 even though we’re never in the playoff picture? 

No he wouldn’t. I really think with our OL and a few pieces we have on Defense any coach with a fair amount of NFL experience could have done what Wilks did. 

McAdoo or Tabor may have yielded similar results because Rhule was that horrible and firing him ended the chaos and they were able to be a normal team again. 
 

 

[Cdparr7]

4 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I like Ellis but his Wilks parading has been beyond annoying. So much so I stopped following his Twitter account. 
Ellis really wants us to go back to a conservative, old fashioned Foxball way of running this team where we make the playoffs, maybe, every 2 or 3 years. 
I want sustainability and coaches like Wilks will NOT give us that. 
 

Yes they will. They will give you 7 wins one season and 11 the next for about 5 years. No more/ no less.

[bigdog10]

How long we gonna sit around here and let Fitts get a pass?

The perceived strength we had at corner going into the season was nothing but a mirage. 
 

The lack of defensive end depth was no mirage. That was evident in august, yet here we sit with projects like YGM, Haynes, Barno, etc. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

He did better than I expected after the Rams game but nah

[Cdparr7]

Just now, bigdog10 said:

How long we gonna sit around here and let Fitts get a pass?

The perceived strength we had at corner going into the season was nothing but a mirage. 
 

The lack of defensive end depth was no mirage. That was evident in august, yet here we sit with projects like YGM, Haynes, Barno, etc. 

I’ve been saying since Rhule got fired, he needs to be out on his ass too.

Henderson trade, Darnold trade, Mayfield trade/release, Jackson extension, Thomas extension, YGM, Nixon, Fletcher, Erving, Elflein, Anderson extension, trading away Perryman, Signing a Punter that don’t kick field goals last year. 

And all of this was Matt Rhule? Fitterer had no say on the matter?

[Cdparr7]

12 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

I’ve been saying since Rhule got fired, he needs to be out on his ass too.

Henderson trade, Darnold trade, Mayfield trade/release, Jackson extension, Thomas extension, YGM, Nixon, Fletcher, Erving, Elflein, Anderson extension, trading away Perryman, Signing a Punter that don’t kick field goals last year. 

And all of this was Matt Rhule? Fitterer had no say on the matter?

Let’s not forget that despite going 0-3 on QB trades he was in on the deals for Stafford, Wilson, and Watson.

Watson- Not so impressive since return

Stafford-SB, then bad, now hurt.

Wilson- You already know.

[Carl Spackler]

25 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I like Ellis but his Wilks parading has been beyond annoying. So much so I stopped following his Twitter account. 
Ellis really wants us to go back to a conservative, old fashioned Foxball way of running this team where we make the playoffs, maybe, every 2 or 3 years. 
I want sustainability and coaches like Wilks will NOT give us that. 
 

I'd rather go to the playoffs once every 3 years than once every 20 years.

[CMAC22]

Fitty does deserve some blame but Rhule had all final say over all roster and personnel decisions! 

[top dawg]

Fitterer, much like any GM, is not perfect. If it's perfection that you're looking for, you'll be looking forever. He's done enoigh for me to want to see what he does sans Rhule. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Could be worse...

Schuyler Callahan was a Big Matt Rhule defender.

(so was Kyle Bailey)

Add Callihan to the list of Wilks supporters as well...

[CPantherKing]

Steve Wilks hire was Tepper's backup plan. Tepper wanted NFL HC experience on the team in the offseason. Rhule got to choose 1 and Tepper got to choose 1. Rhule chose to work with McAdoo. Tepper chose to bring in Wilks.

Wilks was brought here because Tepper already knew who he wanted as interim HC if Rhule did not get control of the team. He also knew Wilks and Holcomb on staff would be leverage to land Byron Leftwich as HC in 2023. Wilks was never a Rhule hire. He was there as a backup plan to Rhule and Snow. Wilks was a transition to ready the ship for Leftwich and already have a head start going in to the offseason.

The move to bring Holcomb on with Wilks should have told you everything about Tepper's 2023 HC play. Wilks will still be a Panthers in 2023.

[Jackie Lee]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I would vote "no." but John Ellis and Mike Kaye think there is.

Do they have a point?

I would say stop valuing the opinions of random beat writers/wannabe radio personalities regardless of the situation. 

[Mr. Scot]

41 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

How long we gonna sit around here and let Fitts get a pass?

The perceived strength we had at corner going into the season was nothing but a mirage. 

Our top two corners are hurt.

Just how deep do you think the average NFL team is at that, or any position?

23 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

Let’s not forget that despite going 0-3 on QB trades he was in on the deals for Stafford, Wilson, and Watson.

Watson- Not so impressive since return

Stafford-SB, then bad, now hurt.

Wilson- You already know.

Watson was generally accepted to be largely driven by Tepper.

As to Wilson, there's no indication we were "in on a deal" for him, or did anything more than just make a phone call or two to check

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Jackie Lee said:

I would say stop valuing the opinions of random beat writers/wannabe radio personalities regardless of the situation. 

Ellis and Kaye are both guys whose opinions I respect, but that doesn't mean I always agree with them.