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Brian Burns if traded

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49 minutes ago, panther4life said:

While we’re on the subject, D.J Moore is underrated as well. He’s also 11th in receiving yards since joining the league and 6th among all non running backs in yard from scrimmage in that time. 

He’s never missed a game and is also younger than anyone ahead of him on the receiving yards or yards from scrimmage (non running backs) list since he joined the league.

Burns (24), Moore (25), Icky(22)Horn (23),Brown (25). Are our top 5 core players that can be around and productive for us several seasons to come. Granted they are our last 5 first rounders. McCaffey rounded out are last 6 1st rounders.

They are perhaps the best 5 first rounders we have drafted consecutively since 02-06

(Peppers,Gross, Gamble, Thomas Davis and Deangelo Williams).

 

Well said. You get it! 

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4 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

What exactly did Burns do to lower his value? Lol 

They were overpaying but if you want to be technical and not listen to the people who just say thats what the huddle does, his value got lower because now hes almost a full season closer to a big pay day than he was at that time.  The more games left to be played on that rookie contract,  the more value.

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16 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

They were overpaying but if you want to be technical and not listen to the people who just say thats what the huddle does, his value got lower because now hes almost a full season closer to a big pay day than he was at that time.  The more games left to be played on that rookie contract,  the more value.

No more desperation to win now also lowers value. 

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5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Burns peak value was probably the Rams offer. Sincerely hope I am wrong but that was an insane offer.

You are so wrong.  Why the fug was Burns worth all that?  Take 1 sec to realize that you have no idea what NFL football is about.  Pass rushers are hard to find you idiot.  So fuggin stupid 

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9 minutes ago, Shocker said:

You are so wrong.  Why the fug was Burns worth all that?  Take 1 sec to realize that you have no idea what NFL football is about.  Pass rushers are hard to find you idiot.  So fuggin stupid 

Because it was a hail mary shot at another SB. Stafford, McVay, Donald, their futures are all in doubt. It's also yet to be seen if Kupp returns at the same level he was playing at, though there's no reason to think he won't. He's also due for a big payday. Burns could have given them the edge to get there. A Lombardi is worth more than 2 1sts and a 2nd any day of the week. It all depends on your perspective. 

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I’m absolutely not down to do a burns and 9 to move up to a pick ahead of us. I’d ask Chicago to toss in picks. Premier pass rushers (which you find him overrated or not) are extremely hard to find. Even this class that’s “deep on edge” isn’t really THAT deep outside of Will, Wilson( who I am low on), Murphy, van ness and my personal favorite , Nolan Smith. I hope all teams involved realize that a 2 first and 1 second round pick offer was declined and would only incentivize them to increase offers. It’s time for US to do some gaining in that depth. Everyone else does it. Hell, I’ve been seeing crap where the Texans give up 2 -2nds just to move up one spot.

 

If you’re gonna move Burns, it’s gotta be a haul. Nothing on the cheap. Nothing where we just move up and don’t get opportunities of replacement.

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While I don't post much...I feel like some of us are missing the big picture.

 

While the Rams offered 2 1st and a 2nd for Burns, supposedly..... Let's dive in and I'll be one to say I didn't like the trade.

Rams don't have a 1st this year they gave up 2 1sts for Stafford 2 years ago....their 1st pick in the 2nd round. So we would have been getting 2024 and 2025 1st rounders from Rams. 2nd could have been from this year but who knows. Yeah, we needed more skin I the game for this off-season for me to be ok with any trade for Burns.

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1 hour ago, Shocker said:

You are so wrong.  Why the fug was Burns worth all that?  Take 1 sec to realize that you have no idea what NFL football is about.  Pass rushers are hard to find you idiot.  So fuggin stupid 

Yeah it's funny people keep mentioning the Rams trade.

 

We would have to take another DE with one of those 1st. And chances are that player wasn't going to be good as Burns.

 

People need to realize DE is the 2nd most important position after the QB. It's a reason why so many teams want a elite pass rusher. Trading Burns for picks never made sense unless we are getting a top QB in return.

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1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Yeah it's funny people keep mentioning the Rams trade.

 

We would have to take another DE with one of those 1st. And chances are that player wasn't going to be good as Burns.

 

People need to realize DE is the 2nd most important position after the QB. It's a reason why so many teams want a elite pass rusher. Trading Burns for picks never made sense unless we are getting a top QB in return.

People mention the Rams trade because that was the offer. That kind of offer is for an elite edge rusher. That's Mack, Miller, Bosas, Watts level edge rushers. Personally I don't have Burns as that elite level yet. Could he get there? Sure. Could he also not get there? Sure.

But we need 1st round picks if we're serious about getting our guy. 1st round picks are used to get a franchise QB. If you want to go after Lamar, you're going to need 1sts to trade. If you have a specific QB you want, you need to be able to trade up to make sure you can draft him. Doesn't matter if anyone else thinks he'll be there at 9. You want him, you go get him. That takes draft picks. Moving to 1 would be a hell of a lot easier with 5 1st and 2nds over the next 3 years. 

To make that trade, you have to consider the quality of what those picks could end up being. Stafford and his elbow look done. Without a 1st this year or the next 2, do you really think Baker Mayfield is leading that team to a SB? The guy we cut is going to net us a late 20s or 30s pick in 24' and 25'? I think both of those picks end up being top 10 if the trade is made because I don't think Baker is that guy. 

So let's consider if we had made the trade and the Rams did make a SB winning run this year. If Burns is that elite, as you are claiming he is, that should have been a very reasonable outcome for the Rams this year. Then comes the bigger question of whether or not McVay decides to call it quits as a winner, Stafford and Donald both are done as 2x champs, and then Rams having no 1st round picks for the next 3 years.

But since the trade didn't happen, you have to now consider the upcoming contract. Figure that we're probably going to overpay for Burns because that's just what we do. Growing cap space and considered an elite edge rusher because of what was offered for him, we could realistically end up paying him $22-$30m per year for 5 years. Reddick just signed a 3 year offer for $15m per year and has had the same level of production. Is it possible to that level of production for that salary figure that we are going to potentially pay Burns? It's very possible. 

I want a QB. We need a QB. I think trading Burns could have brought us closer to that goal. Remember at the time of the trade offer, our future HC was still unknown. So if I had the choice for what I believe are 2 top 10 future 1sts, a 2nd this year, and $25m per year in cap space or Brian Burns, I'm trading Burns because I believe those assets can get us a more important position than DE, and that's a franchise QB. And if an offer similar to that comes at us again this offseason, depending on who makes it, I'd be damn sure considering it. 

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