Quarterbacks win championships

[Jon Snow]

2 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

one could also say that a fumble by a QB which resulted in a defensive touchdown is what won the championship 

...or the 2 easy TDs given up in the redzone.  

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I love Lamar but this is an exceptionally strange argument to be making for a guy with a 1-3 playoff record.

Yeah, no Lamar is a former MVP but there's no getting around the reality that he has been a bad playoff QB. It's not that his team is losing despite a heroic effort from him. His team has lost those games in large part to him being bad in those games.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 hours ago, Shocker said:

Even if that isn’t called KC still kicks the field goal and takes the lead.  No way did that decide the game

It didn't decide the game but it did guarantee that Philly would have no time to potentially answer which they would have minus the penalty. They were going to get the ball back down three with about 1:45 to go. 

[ericr0319]

9 hours ago, amcoolio said:

Tell that to the posters who still vouch for Darnold and want to bring him back

you can want to bring back Darnold and still draft a franchise QB. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

You need look no further than the past 20 or so super bowls.  All but a few were won by a top tier QB.  Yes, other pieces are needed, but you've gotta have a QB.  It is just so incredibly rare for a good team to mask bad QB play, and that will almost always end up getting exposed when you go up against the better teams in the league.

[45catfan]

Great coaching is key.  Both staffs called an excellent game on offense.  Reid's clock management at the end of the game was flawless.  I truly believe Philly wins if given enough time to march down the field. Andy didn't give them the opportunity.

Remember, Mahommes and Hurts were picks #10 and #53 in their respective classes.  You don't need the #1 overall pick, just a really good QB prospect, a great QB developer and a solid team around him.

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Great coaching is key.  Both staffs called an excellent game on offense.  Reid's clock management at the end of the game was flawless.  I truly believe Philly wins if given enough time to march down the field. Andy didn't give them the opportunity.

Remember, Mahommes and Hurts were picks #10 and #53 in their respective classes.  You don't need the #1 overall pick, just a really good QB prospect, a great QB developer and a solid team around him.

there isn't much difference between a 1 and 10 pick.  It's just team preference at the top who goes at the very top. 

Cam was the #1 overall.  If we hadn't occupied the spot he likely doesn't go #1 overall.  He wasn't viewed as a consensus #1. 

[Bear Hands]

We heard it from the horses mouth, multiple times, about where Tepper and Fitterer view this team. I'll caution that if you're joining hype trains about the 2nd to 4th best DL prospects or an overrated body-catching TCU WR, you're wasting your time.   

Scott himself said: they built up the defensive first, then the offensive, now is time for the QB.  Now, there will now be plentiful diversion between now and the draft, but that, I take at his word.  They think the team is there.        

If you wait until you have a plus-starter at nearly every position before landing a QB, you're never going to be in position.  There's too many spots on a given team; the second you patch it up, another pothole emerges.  If you have the key foundational pieces you think support a top defense and OL, then you have the squad necessary to add a QB.  At this point, the longer you sit on your dick, the quicker this kind of just deflates into the next lame regime.  

Does this mean we're done building the defense? No.  Same goes for adding playmakers.  He also said he wants to get "sexy" or whatever.  They are now in a position where they feel the foundation is set and they want the playmakers in house.  

I would fully anticipate a big move coming for a QB.  Likely via the draft.  They obviously want to and seems pretty evident they will land a guy somehow.  

[45catfan]

Just now, CRA said:

there isn't much difference between a 1 and 10 pick.  It's just team preference at the top who goes at the very top. 

Cam was the #1 overall.  If we hadn't occupied the spot he likely doesn't go #1 overall.  He wasn't viewed as a consensus #1. 

Really?  You must not spend much time on the board anymore.  I mean, the Huddle will be calling for Tepper's, Fitterer and Reich's collective heads if we don't move up for a QB this draft as we sit at #9.  Entire threads have been dedicated to moving up for a QB because it's a MUST.

In theory I agree there's not much of a difference in the top 10 unless there's a generational QB at the top of the board.  This draft there is not.  That is not stopping this forum from demanding a trade up though.

[SCO96]

19 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

You need look no further than the past 20 or so super bowls.  All but a few were won by a top tier QB.  Yes, other pieces are needed, but you've gotta have a QB.  It is just so incredibly rare for a good team to mask bad QB play, and that will almost always end up getting exposed when you go up against the better teams in the league.

It's a team game. There are no "one man gangs" in pro football. A great QB needs help on both sides of the ball to win championships. I grew up watching Dan Fouts lead "Air Coryell" threw most of the 1980's. Probably the best offense of the 80's in terms of yardage and points per game. They never made a SB b/c the defense couldn't stop anyone when it mattered in the playoffs

Jalen Hurts played the game of his life last night...and lost. His fumble ended up being a factor in the loss, but if the Eagle defense and Special Teams had played better in the 2nd half he'd have a SB ring right now.

Even Mahomes needed a defensive TD in the first half and big punt return/ST play that swung momentum in the 2nd half to win the game.

Football is the ultimate team sport. You don't have to be great in all 3 phases of the game (Offense, Defense, Special teams). But, if you are mediocre to bad in any one of them you won't win a Super Bowl.

[Growl]

it’s remarkable there’s still people trying to resist this

[trueblade]

Love 4MR

 

[DeAngelo Beason]

36 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

It's a team game. There are no "one man gangs" in pro football. A great QB needs help on both sides of the ball to win championships. I grew up watching Dan Fouts lead "Air Coryell" threw most of the 1980's. Probably the best offense of the 80's in terms of yardage and points per game. They never made a SB b/c the defense couldn't stop anyone when it mattered in the playoffs

Jalen Hurts played the game of his life last night...and lost. His fumble ended up being a factor in the loss, but if the Eagle defense and Special Teams had played better in the 2nd half he'd have a SB ring right now.

Even Mahomes needed a defensive TD in the first half and big punt return/ST play that swung momentum in the 2nd half to win the game.

Football is the ultimate team sport. You don't have to be great in all 3 phases of the game (Offense, Defense, Special teams). But, if you are mediocre to bad in any one of them you won't win a Super Bowl.

Your mention of Jalen Hurts makes my point.  The only QBs in the game were both MVP candidates.  This is also the worst team Mahomes has ever been on and he still came in and performed.  

I'm not suggesting QBs are all you need.  I suggested as much in my initial post.  I'm saying that the proof is in the pudding.  Almost every championship of the past 20+ years was won by a top tier QB.  Gone are the days of a defense holding opponents to 15 points per game while the QB slogs through the mud and they run the ball 40 times a game.  There are only a few very rare exceptions.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

Really?  You must not spend much time on the board anymore.  I mean, the Huddle will be calling for Tepper's, Fitterer and Reich's collective heads if we don't move up for a QB this draft as we sit at #9.  Entire threads have been dedicated to moving up for a QB because it's a MUST.

In theory I agree there's not much of a difference in the top 10 unless there's a generational QB at the top of the board.  This draft there is not.  That is not stopping this forum from demanding a trade up though.

I think there are 2 QBs this draft worth trying to get.   Every draft is different. 

and if you don't have a QB and haven't' had a QB for a long time.....you have to start trying to get them. 

I fully support Carolina trying to get one.   You can't play the wait for one to fall to you always.   It rarely happens.  And like Fields or not.  Carolina already missed that.  It happened for us. It doesn't happen often.