Go for Carr hard and save #9 pick?

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Yep. This isn't the group of idiots who ran the team before.....well the team led by an idiot Rhule.

This is a team of coaches and a staff that has at least a hundred more years of pro experience than rhules staff of hacks. 

These guys have experience and poo tons of knowledge and a lot of success behind them. They know what they're doing. 

Pretty much 

[Lurk21]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

I understand wanting to get a discount.. But if you want the guy you pay what you need to.. Jmo I think Stroud and Young are worth the price to play.. So go get them and leave no risk..

I feel the  same. Year after year we spend capital on scrubs or we just play it safe. Could of moved up a couple spots and got Herbert. It's time for them to pinpoint and stop gambling on outcast  and develop our own.  I'm for certain veterans but we can't continue to play these games with the Qb spot. Especially  now that we have our 1st Offensive minded coach. 

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

I understand wanting to get a discount.. But if you want the guy you pay what you need to.. Jmo I think Stroud and Young are worth the price to play.. So go get them and leave no risk..

There absolutely is a risk and forfeiting 2024's first rounder (at minimum) is too much to ask. Moving up to #5 is much more palatable. 

Visit a trade chart and also the QB draft graveyard, then see if the risk of *no matter what* is reality or hyperbole.  I mean we can do a Ricky Williams-type trade and move all the way up to #1.  I mean, although a RB, dude was a can't miss prospect, right?

[Pejorative Miscreant]

4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I understand wanting to get a discount.. But if you want the guy you pay what you need to.. Jmo I think Stroud and Young are worth the price to play.. So go get them and leave no risk..

I think if/when they are sold on one or the other they will likely start trying to make moves.  I would think the staff that they have put together along with Fitt will be aggressive if they are sold on the QBs. 

It may be a very fun couple of months leading up to the draft.

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

There absolutely is a risk and forfeiting 2024's first rounder (at minimum) is too much to ask. Moving up to #5 is much more palatable. 

Visit a trade chart and also the QB draft graveyard, then see if the risk of *no matter what* is reality or hyperbole.  I mean we can do a Ricky Williams-type trade and move all the way up to #1.  I mean, although a RB, dude was a can't miss prospect, right?

No risk in getting your guy.. The whole thing is a risk but giving up picks for a QB you have conviction in is the price to play in this situation… Sorry but fug next years 1st if I get my QB..  Expectations are that pick will be in the 20 anyway…

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

No risk in getting your guy.. The whole thing is a risk but giving up picks for a QB you have conviction in is the price to play in this situation… Sorry but fug next years 1st if I get my QB..  Expectations are that pick will be in the 20 anyway…

Spoken like playing with house money.  Yes, absolutely there is a risk and NONE of these guys close to a sure thing.  It would sad, but this board will be crying the blues if we move up, dude looks middling-to-bad and next year's QB class is loaded while we are forced to watch helplessly without a first rounder.

 

[glenwo2]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

This ^ 100%. And even the part about it feeling weird.

If he's on the table for them, then he's there for a really good reason. If he's not, then there's a really good reason. We aren't approaching this like we're trying to recruit some guy with the promise of a scholarship and a starting gig vs some SEC team. 

Right now, even if they decide that Darnold will be the starter, I'm going to go, okay... you guys know better than me.

And we'd know right away that Josh McCown managed to convince Frank to keep Sam around for a bit, given their past relationship.

 

At the same time, though, I just have a feeling we will sign another Vet.   

 

But as you stated, no matter what they decide to do, at least they'll be smarter than Rhule.  lol 

(well okay that's not what you exactly stated but you get my point)

Edited February 19, 2023 by glenwo2

[WOW!!]

4 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Spoken like playing with house money.  Yes, absolutely there is a risk and NONE of these guys close to a sure thing.  It would sad, but this board will be crying the blues if we move up, dude looks middling-to-bad and next year's QB class is loaded while we are forced to watch helplessly without a first rounder.

 

Not playing with House money at all.. Just willing to take a shot and JMo Stroud and Young are worth taking the shot for.. 

Also we said the same thing last year about this years QB class so we can keep saying the same thing every year that next year class is worth taking the shot but at some point you have to take the shot.. 

Also I don’t understand how anybody here thinks with better coaching and this roster.. We will be anywhere close to getting Maye or Williams anyway… We will probably be a better team and have to give up more next year to get them.. ??? So why is that even a thought??

[Lurk21]

You have to take a risk at some point! Each year they say the next group of qbs are going to be better but by the time the media pundits and draft gurus nitpick, you are left with only 2 guys with hype usually. It never failed it seems. If Frank and crew see they guy THEY want and agree on it... go get him...

[LinvilleGorge]

The Bears control this thing. That's obvious with them sitting at #1 but if they're smart they put that pick on the auction block and take the highest bid. They have a promising young guy at QB and have a ton of holes. They're in the ideal position to come away with a ton of assets vs. one player.

 

[WOW!!]

Just now, Lurk21 said:

You have to take a risk at some point! Each year they say the next group of qbs are going to be better but by the time the media pundits and draft gurus nitpick, you are left with only 2 guys with hype usually. It never failed it seems. If Frank and crew see they guy THEY want and agree on it... go get him...

This^^^
At some point waiting for the perfect situation isn’t living in reality..

Waiting for your team to be a bad team in a great QB draft year( just  so you can keep assets )is ridiculous and a waste of time..

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Sgt Schultz said:

And, at the same time you are suggesting SI, the LA Times, and several others don't know what they are talking about.  So, pick your poison.

Mark Davis is one of the least wealthy owners in the NFL, he is paying Gruden to sit on the sidelines, and would then be paying McDiptstick to join him.  Nobody knows for sure what these two contracts equate to, but Gruden was reported to be around $10M a year and McDiptstick was making $4M a year as the OC for the Pats and reported to be making "substantially more" to go to the Raiders. 

So, the guy who is somewhere between the 29th and 32nd richest owner (including the Packers who are technically owned by no one in particular), could be paying out $18-$20M a year for guys no longer coaching plus, say, another $5M to whoever would be. 

But, the problem is not simply overall wealth (which for Davis may look big to us, even though he is relatively low on the NFL totem pole), but cash flow.  How much of his non-liquid wealth is he willing to convert to liquid wealth in order to get rid of yet another coach he should not have hired in the first place?

It saved Davis money to let Carr go, while at the same time it would cost a bundle to let the HC go.  Even if he winds up paying the same money he would have paid Carr to others on the roster, it is still neutral.

Given McDipstick's history and antics as a HC, anybody suggesting having him in that position creates stability is fooling themselves. 

But, believe what and who you will.

I would give odds the mob owns the Raiders by now.

Mark Davis is a desperate man. Desperate men do desperate things.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Bears control this thing. That's obvious with them sitting at #1 but if they're smart they put that pick on the auction block and take the highest bid. They have a promising your guy at QB and have a ton of holes. They're in the ideal position to come away with a ton of assets vs. one player.

Yeah, Chicago could really parlay the #1 into a boatload of draft picks.  Possibly doing a deal with Indianapolis and turning around and doing another with Las Vegas, Atlanta or Carolina.  But they're the Bears so they'll probably just screw themselves in the process.

[45catfan]

17 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Not playing with House money at all.. Just willing to take a shot and JMo Stroud and Young are worth taking the shot for.. 

Also we said the same thing last year about this years QB class so we can keep saying the same thing every year that next year class is worth taking the shot but at some point you have to take the shot.. 

Also I don’t understand how anybody here thinks with better coaching and this roster.. We will be anywhere close to getting Maye or Williams anyway… We will probably be a better team and have to give up more next year to get them.. ??? So why is that even a thought??

Generalization about "every year" is overreaction.  We rightly didn't draft a QB last year in the first round because it was garbage and the previous two years Rhule wanted a veteran.  Before then we had Cam since 2011 and didn't need a first round QB. Secondly, this is still not a playoff roster--yet.  Next year we will be about a .500 team which will put us drafting in the teens.  Also, it will be a deeper QB draft next year where moving all the way up for a solid QB won't be needed.  Even so, if Williams or Maye is your target, what's another first rounder in 2026, right?  Draft picks are a non-issue when getting your guy...seemingly.

Edited February 19, 2023 by 45catfan