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The Ravens can’t be this dumb? They’re a smart organization right?


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Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Yeah I know that I was basically asking can he actually choose the team if he had multiple suitors for a contract.

 

Say Washington and Atlanta both offer him a contract. Can he pick the team or is it whoever offers the contract first?

Yes. He would choose which team he'd go to. Baltimore only gets right of refusal based on contract demands.

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Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Yeah I know that I was basically asking can he actually choose the team if he had multiple suitors for a contract.

Say Washington and Atlanta both offer him a contract. Can he pick the team or is it whoever offers the contract first?

He has to agree to the deal.

Mind you, if the Ravens franchise tag him, they can match any offer.

If they give him the exclusive franchise tag, then he can't negotiate with anybody with them. Technically they could still give him permission to negotiate with someone else but in that scenario, they're not bound by the "two first rounders" language. They can negotiate anything they want in return.

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20 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

No they didn't. It's widely been reported that their final offer was 133 mil guaranteed.

 

This has been about guaranteed money the entire time. He wants somewhere in the 200 mil range of guaranteed money.

 

If Kyler Murray got 189 mil guaranteed, Lamar is definitely right in seeking 200 mil guaranteed. Everybody complaining about how much Lamar wants then let him test the market. I guarantee you a team will offer him a much better deal than 133 mil guaranteed.

 

This is the hold up. The Cardinals negotiated a bad deal. The Ravens refuse to follow suit.

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32 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

No they didn't. It's widely been reported that their final offer was 133 mil guaranteed.

 

This has been about guaranteed money the entire time. He wants somewhere in the 200 mil range of guaranteed money.

 

If Kyler Murray got 189 mil guaranteed, Lamar is definitely right in seeking 200 mil guaranteed. Everybody complaining about how much Lamar wants then let him test the market. I guarantee you a team will offer him a much better deal than 133 mil guaranteed.

 

Yes they did. 250m total contract with 133m guaranteed. The % of guaranteed money is higher than your examples of Geno and Carr. 

LJ - 53.2% fully guaranteed

Carr - 40% fully guaranteed

Geno - 40% fully guaranteed

https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-qb-lamar-jackson-turned-down-contract-larger-than-russell-wilson-s-in-key

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34569529/lamar-jackson-declined-baltimore-ravens-250m-extension-offer-wants-deal-fully-guaranteed-signing-sources-say

You're so focused on the guaranteed money you're ignoring the actual offer that was made. 

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15 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Geno Smith 100 mil

Derek Carr 150 mil

 

Ravens about to lose Lamar and they are crazy if they don't think a team will offer him 200 mil.

 

 

These are contract numbers provided by you EXCEPT

Geno didn't get 100 mil guaranteed. His actual contract is 105 with 40 guaranteed

Carr didn't get 150 mill guaranteed. His actual contract is 150 with 60 guaranteed. 

LJ's offer was 250m with 133m guaranteed. 

Someone may offer him 200m guaranteed. Don't care. But if you're going to argue contract numbers to prove your point, you may actually want to know what the contract numbers are. 

 

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If he was worth what he is asking and is worth the long term risk, everything says the Ravens would have taken the deal Lamar was offering.

It's as simple as that. Their entire offense build and coaching is designed around getting Lamar under center and dictating the game that will be played. They cannot replicate that with anyone else in the league taking that spot. 

Why would the Ravens balk at paying a price that other teams might very well be willing to pony up for the opportunity to build their own teams around the guy?

First, look at the teams that are supposedly chomping at the bit to get him. That's not exactly a murderer's row of playoff contenders there. That's a bunch of teams that perpetually overpay the wrong guy and draft players that don't pan out.

You know, like we've been for a while now.

Let's take note of not just who the suitors are, but who the suitors aren't... New England and Pittsburgh could have or could now use a better QB option. Neither one are even mentioned at going after him. Seattle had a chance to upgrade but chose to spend their money on Geno Smith instead (after one good to decent season). 

Why don't we just let this little carousel play itself out and just watch and see if someone over reaches for the brass ring and face plants in the sawdust?

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12 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Agree partially. I mixed up the final result with one of the other games, but not the details.

Our offense was ineffective, but so was theirs until a late turnover. And Jackson was nothing special that day.

That part I remember 😆

We didn't beat Burrow though. The Bengals doubled us up.

In fairness, Jackson was coming off the Flu, and there was about a 30-40 mile an hour wind blowing.  Which essentially made it old school, run the ball and play defense style football. 

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Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Are we sure Tepper isn't lurking on this Lamar situation behind the scenes?

 

I have a hard time believing he went all out for a guy with questionable behavior off the field Watson, but he's not going to entertain Lamar who doesn't have off field issues.

 

Got a feeling we will be mentioned when he actually becomes available via trade. Not saying we will get him but we will at least see if there is interest. 

That’s how I feel, this is certainly something to watch. They talked to carr (maybe it was just to drive price up) and fitt says they are in on every deal, I just can’t see the team not looking into this. It’s worth noting a month or so ago Albright said Atlanta is the favorite but don’t count out Carolina. 

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5 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

In fairness, Jackson was coming off the Flu, and there was about a 30-40 mile an hour wind blowing.  Which essentially made it old school, run the ball and play defense style football. 

Isn't that a style in which Jackson should thrive, though?

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6 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Are we sure Tepper isn't lurking on this Lamar situation behind the scenes?

 

I have a hard time believing he went all out for a guy with questionable behavior off the field Watson, but he's not going to entertain Lamar who doesn't have off field issues.

 

Got a feeling we will be mentioned when he actually becomes available via trade. Not saying we will get him but we will at least see if there is interest. 

God I hope not. That means he hasn't learned a damn thing and isn't going to let football guys make football decisions. 

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I just want to say that from everything I've seen, Lamar has been not just an outstanding QB but also a really positive part of the Baltimore community. I mean, the guy has publicly and on the field been everything an organization wants out of a franchise QB.

So, back to my statement, why won't the Ravens give him what should be an expensive but reasonable (considering the state of the NFL pay levels) contract? Is there something healthwise that we don't know about? Are they looking at that long-term 100% guaranteed part and thinking there is no way he'll still be on the field at the end, when they are still forced to be paying him?

That's a good team with an excellent front office and they are saying that the cost is too high for them...  

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