Is Bryce a #1 prospect if he didn’t go to Bama?

[hepcat]

53 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

On the flip flip side, if Stroud doesn’t play out of his mind the final game of his college career which he had two weeks to prepare for, he might be a borderline top ten pick.

He was still a notch above the rest of the prospects this season even without that game. Maybe he wouldn't have been considered for #1 overall, though. Playing great in a big game always looks good for QB prospects. 

[ForJimmy]

16 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Yeah I guess another angle would be to tackle Mac Jones in the same way. He was a relatively high recruit, wasn’t physically impressive, but performed well at Bama. 
 

Wonder if he would have been a 1st rounder had he QB’d Mizzou. 
 

Ultimately I know it’s impossible to know, but I wish there was a way to quantify how much being at Bama/Ohio St. adds to the prestige of a prospect outside of their actual ability and performance. 
 

And let’s say if Bryce did in fact lose draft position if he was at Ole Miss., it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a great pro. If being at Ole Miss got him drafted 20th or in the 2nd round, he might still end up the best QB in the draft. 

Yeah especially when you mentioned Kentucky.  Levis gets a bad rap on this board, but he had nothing outside of a decent RB on that roster.  Young might end up injured behind that Kentucky OL.  Like you said it's hard to tell outside of an educated guess.

[rippadonn]

15 hours ago, Wundrbread33 said:

The question kinda answers itself.

 

 

NO. Wouldn't have time to throw or scramble with dudes in his face instantly. You got to stand up read, fire. CJ is great at that. You can't improv in the NFL, especially at his size/height, that gets dangerous.

NFL isn't a game gentleman, it's WAR. I straight up have serious concerns for his health.

[Cary Kollins]

36 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Does that account for Stroud's stats being significantly better than Young's this year?

show me which stats are significantly better

 

And it does matter Stroud was throwing to a generational WR in Marvin Harrison Jr. and the top WR in this draft’s class as well. Meanwhile Young was throwing to the equivalent of Philly Brown and Brenton Bersin last year, so take the raw stats with bag of salt.

 

 

[rebelrouser]

14 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

Kind of a confusing take considering Alabama isn’t exactly known for getting QBs drafted even in the first round until just the past few years with Tua and Mac Jones. Has Alabama ever had a QB go #1?

Yes. His 2022 Bama team was defined by poor oline pass blocking, poor rb blitz pickups, and mediocre receivers.  This would be a better question if he came out in '21 with a much better oline and wr's. Essentially '21 Bama = '22 Ohio State so the better question is whether CJ would be a no. 1 prospect if he had not attended OSU. Both inquiries are off though as they both distanced themselves from the rest of the field. 

[rippadonn]

Alabama in recent history always has a top recruiting class on both lines.

True.

 

NFL has better players on both sides. No near future accountants, engineers, or agriculture.

Edited April 12, 2023 by rippadonn

[OldhamA]

13 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

show me which stats are significantly better

 

And it does matter Stroud was throwing to a generational WR in Marvin Harrison Jr. and the top WR in this draft’s class as well. Meanwhile Young was throwing to the equivalent of Philly Brown and Brenton Bersin last year, so take the raw stats with bag of salt.

 

 

2022 Stats:

• Bryce Young - 3,328 yards, 32 TDs, 5 INTs
• CJ Stroud - 3,688 yards, 41 TDs, 6 INTs (and a higher completion %, if you're into that kind of thing)

 

With regards to the supporting class:

• WR: Jermaine Burton - 4*, 99th overall recruit in Class of 2020
• WR: Jacorey Brooks - 4*, 52nd overall recruit in Class of 2021
• WR: Kobe Prentice - 4*, 85th overall recruit in Class of 2022
• WR: Traeshon Holden - 4*, 263rd overall recruit in Class of 2020
• RB: Jahmyr Gibbs - 4*, 178th overall recruit in Class of 2020
• RB: Jase McClellan - 4*, 41st overall recruit in Class of 2020

 

Don't tell me he's playing with absolute bums. That roster is fuging stacked.

 

Edited April 12, 2023 by OldhamA

[OldhamA]

11 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Yes. His 2022 Bama team was defined by poor oline pass blocking, poor rb blitz pickups, and mediocre receivers.  This would be a better question if he came out in '21 with a much better oline and wr's. Essentially '21 Bama = '22 Ohio State so the better question is whether CJ would be a no. 1 prospect if he had not attended OSU. Both inquiries are off though as they both distanced themselves from the rest of the field. 

It's a question they both have to answer - how good are they when the playing field is more even. 9.5 times out of 10 they had the better players when they stepped on the field. Did they elevate the play of those around them, or were they carried?

[SOJA]

1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

That’s fair, but some prospects get elevated for that, and some get punished. 
 

Sam Howell is the counter example. Highly touted two years ago. His weapons all got drafted. He still performed rather well, had to run more, just not as good (understandable), and then he falls from grace. 
 

It’s inconsistent (not saying you are, just the “draft narrative” stuff as a whole).

idk man I watched every Sam game. He did not progress well in his last season. Our o line did him no favors but he made some terrible decisions. I was surprised he fell to the fifth but watching him he had no business being talked about in the first round. 

[Ivory Panther]

Bryce haters are flailing. LMAO

Really fun to read...

 

[Soul Rebel]

Bryce:

• 5-Star HS QB
• #1 Dual Threat HS QB   
• #1 Overall HS QB
• 2021 Heismann winner
• 2022 Heismann runner-up
• #1 overall QB in college two straight years

 

Stroud:

• 4-Star HS QB
• #2 Pro-Style HS QB
• #3 Overall HS QB
• 2021 Heismann runner-up
• 2022 Heismann runner up
• #2 QB in college two straight years

I'd say Bryce would do this at most programs that he was heavily recruited by within reason of calibre of program. Would he do it at Vanderbilt, Duke, Colorado State? Probably not as well...but the heavy hitters that #1 QBs go to, I'd say yes.

Young has always been the #1 prospect and it's hard to argue otherwise.

For me, not every collegiate QB translates over and succeeds in the NFL. Usually it's for the reasons that are not related to BY..... IQ, headspace under pressure, processing, speed of the game, etc. 

For every successful QB, there's lots of Leafs, Tebows, Gabberts, Darnolds, Sanchezs and Weurfels. 

 

[Wundrbread33]

6 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

Bryce:

• 5-Star HS QB
• #1 Dual Threat HS QB   
• #1 Overall HS QB
• 2021 Heismann winner
• 2022 Heismann runner-up
• #1 overall QB in college two straight years

 

Stroud:

• 4-Star HS QB
• #2 Pro-Style HS QB
• #3 Overall HS QB
• 2021 Heismann runner-up
• 2022 Heismann runner up
• #2 QB in college two straight years

I'd say Bryce would do this at most programs that he was heavily recruited by within reason of calibre of program. Would he do it at Vanderbilt, Duke, Colorado State? Probably not as well...but the heavy hitters that #1 QBs go to, I'd say yes.

Young has always been the #1 prospect and it's hard to argue otherwise.

For me, not every collegiate QB translates over and succeeds in the NFL. Usually it's for the reasons that are not related to BY..... IQ, headspace under pressure, processing, speed of the game, etc. 

For every successful QB, there's lots of Leafs, Tebows, Gabberts, Darnolds, Sanchezs and Weurfels. 

 

His feel for the game and intangibles are easy to get excited over. 
 

I’m more comfortable with Stroud at this point because he seems like a bright kid too, and there aren’t physical question marks with him (and his ball placement is so good) but if Young is the pick I think people have to work hard to not be excited over him too. 

[Soul Rebel]

31 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

His feel for the game and intangibles are easy to get excited over. 
 

I’m more comfortable with Stroud at this point because he seems like a bright kid too, and there aren’t physical question marks with him (and his ball placement is so good) but if Young is the pick I think people have to work hard to not be excited over him too. 

This is where I'm at with the whole situation. 

I prefer Stroud but man....BY, IMO, has more superstar potential. It's a matter of whether he can play 17+ games a year, and do it in December/January in cold weather, harsh environments. 

Young could be a superstar though. He's an outlier, but at some point, someone of his stature will break the mold. It would be horrible in retrospect to have missed out on it....serious FOMO.

[Wundrbread33]

1 minute ago, Soul Rebel said:

This is where I'm at with the whole situation. 

I prefer Stroud but man....BY, IMO, has more superstar potential. It's a matter of whether he can play 17+ games a year, and do it in December/January in cold weather, harsh environments. 

Young could be a superstar though. He's an outlier, but at some point, someone of his stature will break the mold. It would be horrible in retrospect to have missed out on it....serious FOMO.

You know what? fug it you flipped me. Bryce Young 2023 let’s fuging go!