Offensive support cast ranked 31st in the league

[UnluckyforSome]

41 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

We have no receivers that scare anyone? 

Where the hell.do people get this poo from?

We don't have a true bona-fide #1. That doesn't mean we don't have talent, and won't be able to pass the ball. 

Cheese and rice!!!

That's what makes for discussion this time of year.

I never said there was no ability. Not once. 

This is also the time of year when the wild dreams about how great the team will be in a few months will start in earnest. Let's get out schedules and have us "within all reason" 7-1 at the halfway point, because it's all winnable games, right?

It's all speculation. Your opinion differs from mine. Noted.

[pantherclaw]

We have more proven depth at the position than I can remember. 

We have what Steve Smith calls a dog, a stud, a rising start due to how he plays.  Frank admitted Mingo even surprised them during the players visit. Out of 30 players. 

We have a proven speedster. 

We have one of the best complimentary receiers in the game with Thielen, whom is a natural leader. 

We have a 3rd year guy whom has been getting better every year, and is #1 in the NFL on go routes, even though he's not really a speedster. 

We have proven, veter depth!!

We still have a running back that can catch the ball. 

Frank also loves using guys that play the tightend position. I know, those guys are all chumps, right? 

Man, I am a pretty cynical asshole, but I even have a hard time hating on this offensive talent. 

[UnluckyforSome]

4 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

We have more proven depth at the position than I can remember. 

We have what Steve Smith calls a dog, a stud, a rising start due to how he plays.  Frank admitted Mingo even surprised them during the players visit. Out of 30 players. 

We have a proven speedster. 

We have one of the best complimentary receiers in the game with Thielen, whom is a natural leader. 

We have a 3rd year guy whom has been getting better every year, and is #1 in the NFL on go routes, even though he's not really a speedster. 

We have proven, veter depth!!

We still have a running back that can catch the ball. 

Frank also loves using guys that play the tightend position. I know, those guys are all chumps, right? 

Man, I am a pretty cynical asshole, but I even have a hard time hating on this offensive talent. 

There is depth, I'll agree with that statement. 

I don't think I'd call you cynical at all. Far from it.

[Smithers]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Thielen is a proven producer but is on the decline. Chark is a proven producer but requires that dreaded "when healthy" addendum. Hurst is basically an outright bust of a former 1st round TE. I mean, let's be honest, 1700 yards over the course of 5 seasons just isn't good.

Tight end usage varies so much team to team.  Olsen had similar numbers after 4 years in Chicago.  The rest is history. 

[Gerry Green]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

Our receiving room is deep. 

No argument about no true number 1. But to say we have no talent that scares defenses is just stupid.  

The group will work itself out. 

I guess it's the offseason and the doom and gloom people feel this is something they can stand on. 

 

It's never a bad time to find something to nitpick over. lol

 

IF you are a Panther fan and you aren't excited for what is coming??? 

 

I would much prefer to be excited and hopeful. It's much better for the body and soul I tell ya what.

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

We have more proven depth at the position than I can remember. 

We have what Steve Smith calls a dog, a stud, a rising start due to how he plays.  Frank admitted Mingo even surprised them during the players visit. Out of 30 players. 

We have a proven speedster. 

We have one of the best complimentary receiers in the game with Thielen, whom is a natural leader. 

We have a 3rd year guy whom has been getting better every year, and is #1 in the NFL on go routes, even though he's not really a speedster. 

We have proven, veter depth!!

We still have a running back that can catch the ball. 

Frank also loves using guys that play the tightend position. I know, those guys are all chumps, right? 

Man, I am a pretty cynical asshole, but I even have a hard time hating on this offensive talent. 

Average depth is not something to brag about.

 

Thielen is 33 and Chark is injury prone. After that we have unproven young guys. 

 

Look at our offense compared to the other teams. Luckily we dodged the top dogs this year in both conferences. I think Miami/Jacksonville will be our toughest opponents.

 

This team can still use another WR especially a proven one like Hopkins.

[Navy_football]

This cast is not built for coaches and play callers that can't scheme - like Rivera. Hopefully this staff can figure out how to exploit mismatches and scheme guys open. And don't forget about Laviska. Homerun threat any time the ball is in his hands.

[Gerry Green]

6 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Tight end usage varies so much team to team.  Olsen had similar numbers after 4 years in Chicago.  The rest is history. 

 

Football is such a weird game. Rarely are things the same year to year. Trying to put absolutes on anything is a fool's errand.

 

We could start out decent and get too good. We could start out good and get to pretty good. Or, we could be gangbusters all stinkin year. The possibilities are endless.

[onmyown]

I agree and I think this forum’s expectations are way, way too high. The staff did what they could with the offense this season, so props for that, but it wasn’t ideal.

We do have excellent building blocks in a LT (thank god), a premier pass rusher, and hopefully a QB, which is an excellent start to build a team. A CB would be a huge boost/cherry on top but still a ?.

Build. That’s the word.

Because hopefully when Young is blooming 2-3 years in, most the oline will be of age and with Shaq aging our LBs personal will be terrifying in a bad way.

Not to mention Brown needs to poo or get off the pot and there is no offensive threat like Burrow has for example.

So the future relies on this FO to bolster/replace the oline and be very keen on what is going on with Brown and Horn. How those two turn out will determine a lot and affect time for success. Get a young offensive weapon. And properly develop Young.

In short, I love the recipe’s ingredients thus far but we aren’t ready to have a five star meal yet. People need to be patient. I see a LOT of defensive issues this year and I can see offensive limitations and lots of mistakes on that side. But I do see a line that will hold and allow Young to grow and that’s most important.

I see winning 8 or more games as a very good sign.

 

[Gerry Green]

I guess it all comes down to do you trust this coaching staff to get the best out the players? 

 

I just don't see how you can look at this staff and not see what they can bring. 

[onmyown]

2 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

Football is such a weird game. Rarely are things the same year to year. Trying to put absolutes on anything is a fool's errand.

 

We could start out decent and get too good. We could start out good and get to pretty good. Or, we could be gangbusters all stinkin year. The possibilities are endless.

I mean generally with a rookie QB and new HC there is a pretty historical timeline of around 3 years going back to Manning, Brady even Cam and to what we see now in KC, Buffalo, Cinci etc. 

All signs point to an average year being a good year 1.

[Gerry Green]

1 minute ago, onmyown said:

I mean generally with a rookie QB and new HC there is a pretty historical timeline of around 3 years going back to Manning, Brady even Cam and to what we see now in KC, Buffalo, Cinci etc. 

All signs point to an average year being a good year 1.

 

This team is not like those teams. This team is set up to compete. Just because other QBs struggle their rookie year, does not automatically mean Bryce will. 

 

Bryce could win ROY and that would make us very competitive.

 

OH, and Brown had a very good year last year. 

[pantherclaw]

3 hours ago, UnluckyforSome said:

There is depth, I'll agree with that statement. 

I don't think I'd call you cynical at all. Far from it.

That's the thing that everyone on here forgets. You don't know poo about me besides what I post. That means you don't know what in my life has shaped it. You have no idea of the loss mu family has suffered. You have no idea of what i have put myself through.  

You know posts on a forum, where I myself, try to be as unbiased as possible,  because that's how i was raised.  It helps that I am a life long football fan. So I had a good grasp of football long before the Panthers existed.  

Anyways, try not to judge people you don't know, based on their perspectives on a football forum.  

[JawnyBlaze]

12 hours ago, mav1234 said:

The stats do not suggest that Theilen is going to have a bounce back year with #1 targets. He basically had his worst season in every statistical category last year and his averages were all down and have been trending as such for a while.  I'm happy with the signing but it's because he's a vet and will be a good mentor.  I can't imagine him having a year like 2017/2018.

I don’t think he’s going to have a career best year or anything but it’s not a leap to think that he’ll bounce back with more targets. More targets = more stats unless you think he’s going to drop all those extra targets… He’ll be better this year than he was the past year or two.