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Anybody else think we are putting to much on Bryce's plate?


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14 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

Keeping score on interwebz debates. I betcha got participation trophies as a young lad didn'tcha?

keeping score isn't that hard when it's only been going on way.  anyway, feel free to holla at me when you have been proven to be right. 

 

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34 minutes ago, CRA said:

keeping score isn't that hard when it's only been going on way.  anyway, feel free to holla at me when you have been proven to be right. 

 

 

I just proved you're petty enough to keep score on interwebz debates.

 

Have you even convinced one person that Miles ain't it yet? I'll wait.

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4 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

I just proved you're petty enough to keep score on interwebz debates.

Have you even convinced one person that Miles ain't it yet? I'll wait.

You are right.  You win.  Miles Sanders is a great 3rd down RB. 

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7 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

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No winners in this debate.

Back to the topic,

Although I only have second hand knowledge and did go to Spartanburg today, nothing has jumped out as a red flag for BY.   It’s early but one day in the books and he looks every bit the part.  Does not seem as though he is drinking from a fire hydrant at the moment.  

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There is no such thing as putting too much on a rookie QBs plate.  It is their job to learn it to the best of their ability.

Doesn't mean they will have a great rookie season as a result.  But it will make them better in the long-term because they weren't babied as rookies.

 

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8 minutes ago, Mage said:

There is no such thing as putting too much on a rookie QBs plate.  It is their job to learn it to the best of their ability.

Doesn't mean they will have a great rookie season as a result.  But it will make them better in the long-term because they weren't babied as rookies.

 

I'm not sure I agree in all senses; I think we all have a limit on how fast and in what way we can learn complex things... And you can reinforce bad habits or incorrectness if you don't grasp something , not to mention the frustration of just screwing things up for other players.  It's why offenses are almost always simpler for rookies and grow thru the season.  It's why some coaches are criticized for not having good offenses for rookies, etc...

But BY is incredibly smart and by all accounts is picking the offense up extremely fast.  So I don't think we are moving him along too fast.

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13 minutes ago, Mage said:

There is no such thing as putting too much on a rookie QBs plate.  It is their job to learn it to the best of their ability.

Doesn't mean they will have a great rookie season as a result.  But it will make them better in the long-term because they weren't babied as rookies.

 

No reason to date to think we are putting too much on Bryce's plate.  But I definitely think you can put too much on a player that isn't ready.  Maybe it's the wording.  But you can set folks up for success or failure.  

Let's say we asked Bryce Young to do what a vintage Brady to do last year.  That would be 40+ pass attempts per game.  That would be asking too much for a rookie QB.   No indication this staff would be stupid though.  

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Cam was put into the one of the worst situations ever and came out of the gate with back to back 400+ yard games.  Im not saying Bryce will do the same, but he is in a better situation and should do just fine. Even if he doesnt, we all know it takes a couple years before he will take that next step.

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8 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

Cam was put into the one of the worst situations ever and came out of the gate with back to back 400+ yard games.  Im not saying Bryce will do the same, but he is in a better situation and should do just fine. Even if he doesnt, we all know it takes a couple years before he will take that next step.

Cam Newton was in a great spot. 

Double Trouble in the backfield.

Multiple pro bowlers on the OL.   

A pro bowl TE and a soon to be pro bowl TE playing in 2 TE sets 

Hall of Fame WR

Cam Newton went to a team that had a horrible record.   The talent for Cam was far from horrible. 

 

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23 hours ago, CRA said:

Cam Newton was in a great spot. 

Double Trouble in the backfield.

Multiple pro bowlers on the OL.   

A pro bowl TE and a soon to be pro bowl TE playing in 2 TE sets 

Hall of Fame WR

Cam Newton went to a team that had a horrible record.   The talent for Cam was far from horrible. 

 

I should have elaborated, I was more going after the coaching.  Chud force fed everything to Cam, Cam even said it was like a firehose.  Cam alluded to just winging it in the beginning and being himself. We all know QB coaches never solved his relying  on his back foot problem and never worked on improving accuracy. Then we never truly crafted the offense for Cam, within year 3 most weapons were gone, oline depleted. OC's constantly in flux, and Rivera handcuffing of Cam, which allowed him to get plastered over and over. Rivera ran that "Cam save me" well until it went dry.  Massive failures from those regimes, we should have had 1-2 super bowls during that era.

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1 hour ago, usmcpanthers said:

I should have elaborated, I was more going after the coaching.  Chud force fed everything to Cam, Cam even said it was like a firehose.  Cam alluded to just winging it in the beginning and being himself. We all know QB coaches never solved his relying  on his back foot problem and never worked on improving accuracy. Then we never truly crafted the offense for Cam, within year 3 most weapons were gone, oline depleted. OC's constantly in flux, and Rivera handcuffing of Cam, which allowed him to get plastered over and over. Rivera ran that "Cam save me" well until it went dry.  Massive failures from those regimes, we should have had 1-2 super bowls during that era.

I've said before, and still say, that Mike Shula did a good job as Newton's quarterback coach.

His being promoted to OC was a huge mistake, though.

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