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4 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

Ah yeah, the ol eye test. Stats be dammed, I don't agree with them so I'm right. Facts are for losers right?

Alex Highsmith is better in most of those categories, much better against the run overall, and just got 17M/yr last month. So these facts show what a player with those numbers should get. Why should Burns get more? 

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4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Alex Highsmith is better in most of those categories, much better against the run overall, and just got 17M/yr last month. So these facts show what a player with those numbers should get. Why should Burns get more? 

1 year of production (7+ sacks) over 3 years as a pro vs 4 years in 4 years , Highsmith is an older player, has way less pressures and qb hits since being drafted compared to Burns in the same time period. 

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3 minutes ago, toldozer said:

What does top 10 run stuff mean? Because he isn't top ten against the run. He's a liability against the run

He made up those numbers.  The last 4 years, Burns is #11 on the sack list, not 8.  Not to mention he’s played in more games than 7 of the 10 guys in front of him, yet is still trailing them.  His current 5th year option of 16M is good enough for top 10.  In reality, he’s being paid this year about what he’s worth.  Yeah that dude wants Bosa type money lol

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14 minutes ago, toldozer said:

What does top 10 run stuff mean? Because he isn't top ten against the run. He's a liability against the run

ESPN has a run stop win rate stat?  A Panther made their top 10 for edge defenders but it wasn’t Burns. Gross Matos at 8.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34536376/2022-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

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1 minute ago, Smithers said:

First off he’s 11th in sacks over the last 4 years (since entering the league), and played more games than 7 of the 10 ahead of him.  

Didn't say that was for all 4 years. That was last season stats. 

He was behind Parsons, Garrett and Bosa in QB pressures and hurries last season. Just those 3 and 8th in sacks. 

In 2021 he had 48 hurries and 37 pressures with 9 sacks.

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

ESPN has a run stop win rate stat?  A Panther made their top 10 for edge defenders but it wasn’t Burns. Gross Matos at 8.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34536376/2022-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

Not top top ten in run stop win rate, run stuffs. Has nothing to do with win rate. Burns gets a lot of TFL which translates to run stuffs. Runs stop at 0 yards gained or less. 

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