Big fan of Burns but...

[PNW_PantherMan]

So we decided to trade CMC and DJ Moore.  Two guys that could actually help Bryce Young and were under contract.  So we could keep a guy that’s demanding more than we think he’s worth.  Not the best management no matter how you slice that.

[PleaseCutStewart]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

You can’t get 2 first for him now. That was a desperate team being desperate and we opted not to take advantage….and then put ourselves in a poor negotiating position. 

Agreed, and 100% why he should be fired if he isn't resigned 

[Carl Spackler]

7 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

So we decided to trade CMC and DJ Moore.  Two guys that could actually help Bryce Young and were under contract.  So we could keep a guy that’s demanding more than we think he’s worth.  Not the best management no matter how you slice that.

The longer this drags on, the more stupid it was to trade DJ instead of Burns.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

So we decided to trade CMC and DJ Moore.  Two guys that could actually help Bryce Young and were under contract.  So we could keep a guy that’s demanding more than we think he’s worth.  Not the best management no matter how you slice that.

Without the trades of McCaffrey and Moore, we don't get Young.

[frankw]

12 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

So we decided to trade CMC and DJ Moore.  Two guys that could actually help Bryce Young and were under contract.  So we could keep a guy that’s demanding more than we think he’s worth.  Not the best management no matter how you slice that.

Unfortunately we can't get to pick 1 without one of those players being removed from the picture. The Bears weren't going to budge without Moore in the deal and we never won more than 5 games with McCaffrey despite his substantial salary cap hits.

QB and pass rush are the 1a/1b premium targets by any franchise looking to become competitive.

Edited September 4, 2023 by frankw

[Sgt Schultz]

14 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Tapper was fine with trading the face of the franchise just a week earlier. He didn’t stop anything involving Burns. 

I must point out the fatal flaw in that statement.  You are trying to explain how a decision was made inside the Panthers organization by using logic.  That went out the window when they decided to hire a BS artist for a HC over a plate of meatballs. 

Maybe some reason will be restored someday.  Hell, maybe you are right and it is in place now.  But I'd like to see it first.

[Toomers]

Just now, Sgt Schultz said:

I must point out the fatal flaw in that statement.  You are trying to explain how a decision was made inside the Panthers organization by using logic.  That went out the window when they decided to hire a BS artist for a HC over a plate of meatballs. 

Maybe some reason will be restored someday.  Hell, maybe you are right and it is in place now.  But I'd like to see it first.

That’s a fair statement. 

[frankw]

36 minutes ago, CRA said:

and that’s why teams like the Eagles win and we don’t.   They paid an elite pass rusher 15 a year.  A better one than Burns.

The Eagles win bc they are stacked on both sides around Reddick. You guys are trolling acting like Reddick was going to be a season saving force here.

[PNW_PantherMan]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Without the trades of McCaffrey and Moore, we don't get Young.

That’s not really true.  The 49ers 2nd round pick wasn’t some lynchpin of the trade.  And the Bears wanted Burns, but we weren’t willing to deal him.

It was silly to trade Moore after moving CMC when you’re planning on drafting a QB. 

[Harbingers]

11 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

The longer this drags on, the more stupid it was to trade DJ instead of Burns.

Not really. We could always trade Burns during the season to a contender that needs a pass rusher for decent value. Probably not two first rounds but still decent. 

[frankw]

Reddick didn't want to be here he wanted to go to a contender he was unhappy in the last weeks of his season with us why do people keep omitting key details? If we trade Burns instead of Moore we're limited to chasing aging pass rush vets at best and then our defense can't get off the field. There's no easy quick path in this no matter how many do overs you might want to daydream about.

[CRA]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Without the trades of McCaffrey and Moore, we don't get Young.

Probably could have kept CMC and pulled it off.  All the Bears got from that deal was pick 61.   A late 2nd rounder that was almost a 3rd.  Panthers could have likely figured out something else there.  

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, frankw said:

The Eagles win bc they are stacked on both sides around Reddick. You guys are trolling acting like Reddick was going to be a season saving force here.

Reddick’s pass rush isn’t a byproduct of playing in Philly.   He got it done in Carolina and Arizona.  Was better at getting to the passer in each of those years too. 

I’ve never argued he would have saved or done anything.   Comment was Eagles added an elite pass rusher for 15 a year.  Folks here talking about adding one for 30.   Well, that is relevant if you want to talk about roster building by a front office.   Eagles doing it smart.  And they have a good roster as a byproduct.  You start paying pass rushers 30 mill, committee RBs starting money, etc…..it impacts what you can and can’t do elsewhere.  Adds up.  Hell, our 6th biggest cap hit this year is Robby Bobby Robbie Chosen Jet.  Because we paid a role playing WR like a low end 1.  

[Carl Spackler]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Reddick’s pass rush isn’t a byproduct of playing in Philly.   He got it done in Carolina and Arizona.  Was better at getting to the passer in each of those years too. 

I’ve never argued he would have saved or done anything.   Comment was Eagles added an elite pass rusher for 15 a year.  Folks here talking about adding one for 30.   Well, that is relevant if you want to talk about roster building by a front office.   Eagles doing it smart.  And they have a good roster as a byproduct.  You start paying pass rushers 30 mill, committee RBs starting money, etc…..it impacts what you can and can’t do elsewhere.  Adds up.  Hell, our 6th biggest cap hit this year is Robby Bobby Robbie Chosen Jet.  Because we paid a role playing WR like a low end 1.  

I recall getting flamed for saying Moore was better than Robby Anderson.