Bryce Young hot take

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

 

 

embarrassing

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Really surprised a free rusher getting to the quarterback in the pocket resulted in a sack

[tukafan21]

6 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Hot take is Bryce most likely should have sat the first half of the season

not because of his play but because what was given up for him, we can’t afford to deal with rookie mistakes as much since we don’t have our first next year, and I think our young WRs would develop more with a vet qb 

but this front office is hell bent on microwaving results 

Needing to sit Bryce the first half of the season would have made that trade so much worse than it already is.

He was always supposed to be the most pro ready of any of the QB's this year, if you make that trade and take him, only to need to sit him at the start of the year, then it would be proof that he was the wrong player to take and you shouldn't have given all that up for him.

I didn't want to make the trade up to 1 due to the cost, I didn't want to take Bryce once we made the trade, I tried to get my hopes up once we did take him and be optimistic about his "super brain" but his physical attributes have been so much worse than I ever expected.

I'm not going to stop rooting for the Panthers, I'm not going to root against the kid, but I unfortunately have no optimism left at this point as I feel like this was all predictable.  He's an elite QB brain in an average high school QB's body, that's not a good fit in the NFL.

We let past screw ups at the QB position force us to make a bad trade because we thought we HAD to do it, but it would have just been smarter to use this season to build a good base with this new staff and then use our first rounder next year on a better QB prospect while keeping DJ and the rest of the picks.

Edited September 19, 2023 by tukafan21

[stratocatter]

There is no urgency to win. You can see that right? They have punted the season already and were cluing people in with the don’t expect playoffs and the 3 preseason games ‘first look at your 2023 Carolina Panthers’ (especially the fourth one where the offense was ‘unveiled’).

So anyhow, no pressure on the staff do anything but cash checks while they build their utopia dynastic organization of a million expert coaches, continue teaching a player to become a winner (ostensibly anyway) for a billionaire owner who won’t bitch for a long time because they took his preferred quarterback and installed his defense (a veteran move by Reich, gotta hand it to him). What can he bitch about? He wanted it.  Asked for each bit. Okay… 

As far as play calling, has TM our OC ever called plays in the NFL? 

Regardless, maybe Reich needs to stop trying to keep people happy with this consensus play calling stuff and just tell them what freaking play we are gonna run. Bet you a dollar they would get them in faster. And too many cooks you end up with something like Polynesian Irish Mexican boiled pepperoni goulash anyway. Yum.

  Bryce Young. It is too fast for him now. He doesn’t have elite anything really, except allegedly his processing. Which needs to seriously recalibrate to get up to NFL game speed.  
I mean, he has to step up his entire process because he does not have the arm to fit the ball into tight places in situations *where velocity is demanded* and the players are faster than what he is used to. They close on the ball faster. They close on him faster. He isn’t synching it all up to this point.  
His old used to be good enough, was good enough to beat most very good to excellent college teams starting level players. That same good enough isn’t good enough at the NFL level. It is that simple, despite the yearly pronouncements that the SEC is basically the same level as NFL. 

Whether or how well he adjusts to it will determine everything in my opinion. I was down as having a very negative outlook on the ‘cost vs probability of success’ guesswork err analysis, fwiw. Still TBD.  And he can still be pretty good without being worth the cost. Cant wait. 

[tukafan21]

8 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

Still TBD.  And he can still be pretty good without being worth the cost. 

Not that the rest of the post was bad so I deleted it, but you had this in there at the end, and it was the most important part of it all.

I think too many of the Bryce supporters are struggling to understand that the people upset right now, are upset about this.  It's never going to be "did Bryce end up as a good player" as much as "did Bryce end up a good enough player to justify what we gave up, knowing we'd likely have ended up with one of the top QB's in next year's draft anyways."  

What we gave up to take a player with Bryce's limitations and risks was WAY WAY WAY too much and it significantly hurts our ability to build out around Bryce.  Had we just had he #1 pick and took him (or the 2nd or 3rd pick and took one of the other guys) and we sucked this year, nobody would be as concerned as we'd be looking at it knowing we'd have a high pick next year to try and get an elite WR with (not to mention still having DJ, last year's second and the 2025 second).

Bryce literally has to win us a SB for the trade to be considered a success, especially if there ends up being a couple great QB's in next years class.  If we gifted the Bears one of those QB's with our pick and that QB ends up better than Bryce, only a SB ring will make that remotely acceptable.

So basically we bet on Bryce being the biggest outlier in NFL history at the QB position because of his brain, not his physical ability... seems.... dumb.

Edited September 19, 2023 by tukafan21

[KushMcDieselson]

6 hours ago, davos said:

What even was that playcall at :22? That's an example of one I want to see in All-22.

There is like no one running slants or shallow crosses within 10 yards the bulk of the time.  We had one okay slant with Thielen at :38 but it's either deep routes or curls galore.

Ran a bunch to the right at :48 but Thielen is jogging and the other two go deep out of frame.  There's no patterns playing off each other.  Bryce's first look was to the weak side at Hurst.  Like, what they hell was drafted up there?

1:00 & 1:15 are nice.  

But again the strip sack at 1:35, what was that pattern set? I gotta see that one. 

1:42 clean pocket and no one open? That is needed in All-22.  Need to see what's going on out of frame.  The next few plus were inaccurate.  Then 2:33, I need to see what's happening there.  Had the time and the looks.Same at 2:42, looked like falf the routes were given up on.  WRs look mad slow.  And then Saints went to soft zone. 

YIKES

The play calling is absolutely poo. Look at 2:48, two receivers come out from the bunch and run the exact same route from left to right, then you have the RB and TE check and release to also basically run the same route, they basically ended up with two people in the same area on opposite sides of the field at the same time....who the fug is drawing up these plays?

[Varking]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8joE7LY/
 

where is his head at?

[Jackie Lee]

16 minutes ago, Varking said:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8joE7LY/
 

where is his head at?

Great S2 score though. Meanwhile Stroud really is Georgia Stroud

[Cpt slay a ho]

28 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Needing to sit Bryce the first half of the season would have made that trade so much worse than it already is.

He was always supposed to be the most pro ready of any of the QB's this year, if you make that trade and take him, only to need to sit him at the start of the year, then it would be proof that he was the wrong player to take and you shouldn't have given all that up for him.

I didn't want to make the trade up to 1 due to the cost, I didn't want to take Bryce once we made the trade, I tried to get my hopes up once we did take him and be optimistic about his "super brain" but his physical attributes have been so much worse than I ever expected.

I'm not going to stop rooting for the Panthers, I'm not going to root against the kid, but I unfortunately have no optimism left at this point as I feel like this was all predictable.  He's an elite QB brain in an average high school QB's body, that's not a good fit in the NFL.

We let past screw ups at the QB position force us to make a bad trade because we thought we HAD to do it, but it would have just been smarter to use this season to build a good base with this new staff and then use our first rounder next year on a better QB prospect while keeping DJ and the rest of the picks.

I agree mostly with your sentiments 

I’m just simple saying if he wasn’t ready they shouldn’t have put him out there.

can’t fix a mistake with another mistake, trust me we’re in unison on how we feel towards this trade, but putting him out there when he’s not ready just because he’s the 1st overall pick is pigheaded, he should have truly competed with Dalton for the job and not see the field until he earn the starting job 

I mean this thing is a mess, typically teams that select a qb top 3 have the luxury to let there qb take his lumps and use the high picks the following year to improve the team, we don’t have that luxury because of this trade, the front office thought we were a qb away from competing but failed to realize trading away players that a young qb would need to succeed is backwards hustling. Everything comes into question because of that, is it the stagnant WRs ? Is it the stagnant playcallig? Or is it the qb play ?

This regime can’t get enough of trying to microwave results  

[stratocatter]

The owner hires who he thinks ‘get it’, naturally, and they show him that they do get it by agreeing with him. He is the one who doesn’t get it. Yet. So far. Willy Ever. 

When he is paying you all that dough and giving you the dream job, you feel an obligation to go along with what he wants. And justify it by affirming the name signed on your paycheck. It is your job to satisfy that individual. 
Our hires, succumbed to this I think.
 

They rationalized this trade up to themselves until they agreed with it. i believe.
Because, I seriously cannot believe these football lifers wanted to go with this kid at that price. I cannot figure what they were thinking other than yes by that point. 

[tukafan21]

14 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I agree mostly with your sentiments 

I’m just simple saying if he wasn’t ready they shouldn’t have put him out there.

can’t fix a mistake with another mistake, trust me we’re in unison on how we feel towards this trade, but putting him out there when he’s not ready just because he’s the 1st overall pick is pigheaded, he should have truly competed with Dalton for the job and not see the field until he earn the starting job 

I mean this thing is a mess, typically teams that select a qb top 3 have the luxury to let there qb take his lumps and use the high picks the following year to improve the team, we don’t have that luxury because of this trade, the front office thought we were a qb away from competing but failed to realize trading away players that a young qb would need to succeed is backwards hustling. Everything comes into question because of that, is it the stagnant WRs ? Is it the stagnant playcallig? Or is it the qb play ?

This regime can’t get enough of trying to microwave results  

The problem is that the QB's who need to sit because they have to develop, they have to develop mentally.

Bryce doesn't have that problem, he already sees the game like a vet, he just frankly doesn't have the physical traits needed to execute yet on this level.  

Can he get there?  

Maybe, but it's not something that he'll develop by mid-season his rookie year, it's going to take years for him to work on building his body up the right way and increasing that body and arm strength.  So sitting him to start the year wasn't going to do anything, might as well toss him out there, his mental side of the game was always going to have to carry him over his physical.

I think one of two things happen, either Bryce proves me wrong and he develops significantly over this year and the next couple and we' re-sign him.  Or I'm proven right and he's just not an NFL QB and thus we end up putting ourselves into the Arch Manning sweepstakes in the 2026 draft (which while it would suck for the next few years, could turn us into a contender for a long time).

[Cpt slay a ho]

31 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

The problem is that the QB's who need to sit because they have to develop, they have to develop mentally.

Bryce doesn't have that problem, he already sees the game like a vet, he just frankly doesn't have the physical traits needed to execute yet on this level.  

Can he get there?  

Maybe, but it's not something that he'll develop by mid-season his rookie year, it's going to take years for him to work on building his body up the right way and increasing that body and arm strength.  So sitting him to start the year wasn't going to do anything, might as well toss him out there, his mental side of the game was always going to have to carry him over his physical.

I think one of two things happen, either Bryce proves me wrong and he develops significantly over this year and the next couple and we' re-sign him.  Or I'm proven right and he's just not an NFL QB and thus we end up putting ourselves into the Arch Manning sweepstakes in the 2026 draft (which while it would suck for the next few years, could turn us into a contender for a long time).

Not necessarily, sometimes that is the case, but either Bryce or Reich aren’t getting plays in fast enough, Bryce also is processing through reads fairly slow, he’s hitting the check down without giving the check down and option to turn and run up field, airmailing deep passes and not giving the wr the slightest chance to make a play on the ball

of course some of it is being a rookie but again we’re not in a position where we get to keep our first rounder next year, so it’s not as beneficial to be trash while our rookie takes his lumps, if he earned the spot in a true qb competition sure but treating it like a trial by fire isn’t much more beneficial either and might stunt the growth of other positions on the roster that require decent qb play like WR and Te

but it’s too late to go back now, this is just what I would have done leading up to the season if what we saw on the field is what the coaches saw in camp 

and although it sounds good on paper that we would just go with a different qb if Young doesn’t pan out, there’s 0 reason for me to trust when that time comes we’ll make the right choice 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Cpt slay a ho

[carpanfan96]

Brees played in 1 game as a rookie. He went 15-27 for 221 yards, 1 td, no int. Think he came in because Flutie was benched or got hurt. 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Brees played in 1 game as a rookie. He went 15-27 for 221 yards, 1 td, no int. Think he came in because Flutie was benched or got hurt. 

And the Chargers used their own 2nd round pick on him.

They didn't trade away 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and their best offensive player for him.

People need to stop pointing out the bad rookie seasons by HOF QB's, for every HOF QB that had a bad rookie season, there are a dozen others who had terrible seasons and crapped out.

I'm not saying Bryce will crap out, but just trying to point to the few HOFers who went through this, is just dumb.