Bryce is fine. The Panthers are fine.

[TheCasillas]

Just now, 45catfan said:

Ability to change the plays is fine, but doing it as much as he does is overkill...pun intended.  How many times did Cousins check out of a play today?   Honestly, he has too much freedom to run this offense as a rookie.  Frank needs to tell him to run the damn play that is called.  Later in the year give him the latitude to change the play if need be.

Crap, I'll be hearing kill, kill, kill in my sleep tonight I heard so damn much today from Bryce.

I disagree, if our offense is designed around reading the defense at the LOS (like the Rams, SF, TB12, and MIA) then that is what we are running. Asking for our QB to stop changing the play bc we dont want to hear "kill kill kill" so much is laughable. 

They are probably simple signals which is why we heard it often. We could have been running a two place system (hence the long huddles), where if the safety was in the box we kill. It's not very complex. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, joemac said:

I mean his completion percentage today was amazing. 80% + lol. He just poo the bed multiple times when it counted

When the majority of your throws are screens or checkdowns you should have a very high completion percentage. Let's be honest. When he got sacked there on the last possession in the redzone putting us in a bad down and distance situation we all pretty much knew it was as good as over. That's what it feels like to know your QB can't throw the ball down the field.

[45catfan]

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

He has 2 plays to choose from. Apparently it’s WR screen or Sanders up the middle. All kill kill kill does is move to the 2nd play. 

Yup, but what he's doing is checking out of the first play and for a rookie this too much responsibility.  Bryce needs one play and execute it.  Maybe he can get the snap off in time.  I shudder to imagine had he stated last week in Seattle how ugly that offensive performance would have been.

[joemac]

4 minutes ago, countryboi said:

Bryce looks uncomfortable in this offense and it feels Frank and the Oline is holding him back. 
 

Frank needs to give on play calling but I don’t think that will completely fix our issues till we have a confident running game

 

We need Corbett and Brady back badly

[CRA]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What offense fits a QB that looks like he can't effectively throw more than about 10 yards at the NFL level?

Because our passing offense looked a lot different and a lot more effectively threatening vertically last week.

One that features creative playcalling where you get the ball in the hands of legit playmakers.   Bryce isn’t a playmaking QB.  He is a distributor.  But you got to get open quick.  

that was obvious going in and why I complained so hard going in.  It was never going to work with what we did. 

you basically need the 2020 cast and better playcalling than they had. CMC, Moore, Samuel, etc,   And that’s your pass game.

the plan with Bryce never made sense.  You traded away essential pieces that would allow him to work in this league.    And that’s generally not how teams go about it.  
 

 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, joemac said:

We need Corbett and Brady back badly

That’s not the answer.   He looks lost.  

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, CRA said:

One that features creative playcalling where you get the ball in the hands of legit playmakers.   Bryce isn’t a playmaking QB.  He is a distributor.  But you got to get open quick.  

that was obvious going in and why I complained so hard going in.  It was never going to work with what we did. 

you basically need the 2020 cast and better playcalling than they had. CMC, Moore, Samuel, etc,   And that’s your pass game.

the plan with Bryce never made sense.  You traded away essential pieces that would allow him to work in this league.    And that’s generally not how teams go about it.  
 

 

I don't disagree that the scheme and personnel are a bad fit for the QB. But ultimately you have to be able to have some sort of legit vertical threat. If the D can keep everything in front of them and doesn't have to worry about the deep third at all that's just going to be a really tough role to hoe. You have to be able to at least make the D respect a vertical threat to create the space you need to get YAC off of underneath throws.

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I disagree, if our offense is designed around reading the defense at the LOS (like the Rams, SF, TB12, and MIA) then that is what we are running. Asking for our QB to stop changing the play bc we dont want to hear "kill kill kill" so much is laughable. 

They are probably simple signals which is why we heard it often. We could have been running a two place system (hence the long huddles), where if the safety was in the box we kill. It's not very complex. 

Again, they need to simplify it.  I get Young is supposed to be this human computer, but he's a rookie QB.  He SHOULD NOT be given the latitude he's getting right now.  You can rationalize it all you want to.  The end result is--it's NOT WORKING.  If calling two plays is causing delay of games, hurried snaps and less time for the rookie to read the defense, then SIMPLIFY it.  Continuously running into a brick wall is not going to make the brink wall move.

Sure he can probably execute this in practice in a 'no hit' jersey and with a mock pass rush against a defense he knows well, but on game day it looks bad.

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That’s not the answer.   He looks lost.  

How does a player who completes almops 80% of his passes look lost? Are you just saying it by his actual look?

[Jay Roosevelt]

You can't blame Frank Reich. We just don't have enough Adam Theilens to run all the routes in his playbook.

[Jay Roosevelt]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

How does a player who completes almops 80% of his passes look lost? Are you just saying it by his actual look?

They're saying it because he's not Cam Newton.

[Bear Hands]

We can dissect each individual playcall and situational problems as much as we want, but this is not what you want to see out of a #1 overall pick.  #1 OVERALL.  Just stop.

We've passed the point of pointing out 1-3 moments PER GAME where he leads a guy for at most a 15 yard gain.  

There's just not many more excuses left.  Sure, he has some okay moments with some pretty 10-15 yarders in the second half but you're lying to yourself if you're not admitting how shaky he looks. He looks jittery, he looks nervous, he looks shaky.  Am I going crazy? Or are we just not wanting to admit what's in front of us?

Stats be damned, just watch the kid.  A "calm demeanor" on the sidelines and in pressers does not equate to poise.  You have to step up, make plays, and manufacturer TDs at some point. 

Yes, the personnel is crap, but this is inexcusable for what we were sold.  I feel awful for the kid, awful for the fans, awful for everyone.  

It's not over for Bryce.  The kid has skills, but he is simply not showing anything that can elevate a team right now.  

[countryboi]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That’s not the answer.   He looks lost.  

He does not look lose Zach looks lost, Bryce looks unsure because his weapons suck. That’s a big difference 

Edited October 1, 2023 by countryboi

[mrcompletely11]

 

Just now, Jay Roosevelt said:

They're saying it because he's not Cam Newton.

There is no way you can watch the game today and think yeah man this kid fuging has it.   It’s too fast for him and his internal clock is way off.   But sure keep making excuses for him.  That works as well.