Bryce Didn't Ask For This

[Captroop]

If anything is likely to "David Carr" Bryce, it's the amount of pressure that's put on him in terms of our expectations to succeed based on his performance alone.

Being the #1 overall pick already comes with with an enormous amount of pressure. Now imagine the weight Bryce must be feeling every day knowing:

• The Panthers made me their #1 overall selection
• The Panthers traded up to make me their #1 overall selection
• The Panthers traded next year's 1st round selection to make me their #1 overall selection
• The Panthers traded their best offensive weapon to make me their #1 overall selection
• Multiple people put their careers and livelihoods on the line, vouching for me that I was worth trading all that for
• An entire coaching and ownership regime is betting their future on me being the centerpiece of their offense and the star of the franchise
• The Panthers gave up so much they can only surround me with mediocre talent, and they count on ME to be the reason the team is successful
• The coaches are starting me over a more qualified veteran because everyone needs ME to prove THEY were right
• If I don't pan out, the investment the Panthers made in me will be what sets this franchise back a decade

And now imagine all of that going through your head and not only not being immediately successful, but being the center of attention of a team that looks like it may be historically bad.

Frankly, the amount of expectation that our FO, coaching and fanbase has piled on Bryce is unreal, unprecedented, and unfair. Because at the end of the day, all that we gave up for him, was our team's bad decision.

So if anything has the likelihood to "ruin" Bryce Young, it's the stress of knowing that because of the amount we gave up for him, which is not something he ever asked for us to do, and in spite of the weak team we surrounded him with, he doesn't get the benefit of a rookie learning curve. Every mistake is exponentially worse, because the amount we gave up for him can only be justifiable if he is great NFL QB.

I still don't know if Bryce has the physical tools to be a great QB in this league. But if Bryce mentally survives this season, I'll actually have a lot more hope for him in the future.

[therealmjl]

Wholeheartedly agree. 

[Jon Snow]

He ended up with the worst team in the league after all. I feel for the kid and I hope he can forget all of that because you cannot change it. The league is an unforgiving beast that chews up promising players and spits them out annually. The odds were always against him making it in the nfl. Unfortunately his team cannot help him pull out a win on his own as they are reminiscent of a high-school squad.

[RumHam]

The new Browns since 2018. The Shittsburgh Squealers on a Thursday Night back in 2018 really did kill this franchise. They ended it. fug TJ Watt and their fanbase. 

[Proudiddy]

He might not have asked for it, but if he didn't feel he was capable of living up to the expectations then he should've let them know and gracefully bowed out of the runnin for #1.  But he didn't.  So is he gonna return his salary?  No.  So it's hard to feel bad for the guy.

At the same time, the staff and FO believed in him and went all in on him, confident that he was worthy of the #1 overall pick and of being a franchise QB.

So in terms of whether to feel bad for him or not, or considering if expectations were unrealistic or too high - I'm sorry, brother, but this is the modern day NFL.  If we take a player at #1, we expect you to change the direction of our franchise for the better.  We expect you to set the tone and team culture.  For better or worse, that's what comes with being the #1 overall pick now, so it wasn't unfair or unrealistic.  And again, if he didn't feel he could live up to that, he should've let them know in the pre-draft process.

[Mage]

It feels like we traded Christian McCaffrey and DJ Moore and got nothing out of it.  I still believe in Bryce (but not with this current team) but we are the worst team in the NFL.  We should have tanked when we had the chance after firing Rivera.  Instead we signed Teddy Bridgewater and the rest is history.  I still believe that offseason ruined this team.  We were in the perfect position to field a bad team (because we were), get the pain over with, and have our pick of the litter, and instead thought it was worth it to sign the most average QB imaginable.

Now we have no choice to tank because the team is that bad.  Brian Burns and Derrick Brown are really our only very good players, and Burns doesn't even have a long-term contract.  And we don't have a 2024 1st round pick.  Absolute failure by this organization and it is painful to be a fan of this mess. 

[Waldo]

If he would have done the combine drills this would never have happened so it seems like a group effort from my seat...

[carpanfan96]

I knew he wasn't going to play well, especially out of the gate. Only worse when you realize that the offense isn't built for him. So... yea. 

 

The added weight at the combine and not doing drills, then doing drills at pro day but not being weighed shoulda told everyone all they needed to know. 

 

He plays at 185 and gets down into the low 180s to the high 170's during seasons. 

 

He doesn't have the size to be in the NFL and I don't mean height. 

 

If he's successful, he will be the first sub 190 qb to ever be successful In the modern nfl. 

 

To think he will be successful is putting to much expectations on him to start with.  

 

Screw everything else. 

Edited October 9, 2023 by carpanfan96

[PootieNunu]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

I knew he wasn't going to play well, especially out of the gate. Only worse when you realize that the offense isn't built for him. So... yea. 

Thats the biggest problem. His biggest asset supposedly is his processing but we want to call 15 screens a game which only has one option to throw to. We are 0-5, open the damn playbook and let him play, go up tempo, idc if we dont call another screen all season.

[Captroop]

2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

He might not have asked for it, but if he didn't feel he was capable of living up to the expectations then he should've let them know and gracefully bowed out of the runnin for #1.  But he didn't.  So is he gonna return his salary?  No.  So it's hard to feel bad for the guy.

At the same time, the staff and FO believed in him and went all in on him, confident that he was worthy of the #1 overall pick and of being a franchise QB.

So in terms of whether to feel bad for him or not, or considering if expectations were unrealistic or too high - I'm sorry, brother, but this is the modern day NFL.  If we take a player at #1, we expect you to change the direction of our franchise for the better.  We expect you to set the tone and team culture.  For better or worse, that's what comes with being the #1 overall pick now, so it wasn't unfair or unrealistic.  And again, if he didn't feel he could live up to that, he should've let them know in the pre-draft process.

I don't feel bad for him. He'll cry himself to sleep on a bed of money the rest of his life regardless of which trajectory his NFL career takes.

We shat the bed, now we need to sleep in it. And that means rolling back and forth over this pant-leg excretion for the rest of the year.

The absolute worst case scenario is him being shell-shocked into mediocrity if there was any hope of him being our future starter.

[Mage]

Just now, PootieNunu said:

Thats the biggest problem. His biggest asset supposedly is his processing but we want to call 15 screens a game which only has one option to throw to. We are 0-5, open the damn playbook and let him play, go up tempo, idc if we dont call another screen all season.

I'm not a fan of the screens, but they probably feel it is necessary given the lack of speed on the perimeter.  

I'm not a fan of the play-calling either but I get the screen calls.

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

I knew he wasn't going to play well, especially out of the gate. Only worse when you realize that the offense isn't built for him. So... yea. 

 

The added weight at the combine and not doing drills, then doing drills at pro day but not being weighed shoulda told everyone all they needed to know. 

 

He plays at 185 and gets down into the low 180s to the high 170's during seasons. 

Not doing any drills was a giant red flag and should have pushed him bellow the other 2 QBs alone. If he could have put up half decent measurables none of this would be this bad but he knew what was up. Im sure his agent used the words 'can only lose value'. They practice all of that to perform better, they knew.

[Carolina Disaster]

He is a professional Athlete getting paid millions.  He needs to do his job and lead this team, whoever they are, to the best of his ability.  We drafted BY because what we thought he was... cerebral, a leader, etc.... BY in addition to poor play has not shown real leadership or any trait we thought was worth the 1st pick in the draft.  Where is the fire in his belly??  Where has he showed real emotion in the huddle, on the side lines, in press conference???  Haven't seen it.  I hated the pick but the love the panthers, so I do want him to succeed but damn people tired of the excuses.  Just show us something....anything.  Or lets give him a participation trophy cause he shows up cause that's what we do nowadays.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, PootieNunu said:

Thats the biggest problem. His biggest asset supposedly is his processing but we want to call 15 screens a game which only has one option to throw to. We are 0-5, open the damn playbook and let him play, go up tempo, idc if we dont call another screen all season.

I'm not sure if everyone else is ready for them to open the playbook.  Bryce is not the only person that has to have full grasp of it. Whatever the issue is they better figure it because the staff in Huston sure has.