I’m convinced that with above average WRs Young can be VERY good

[toldozer]

3 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

In person yesterday, he was putting passes in tight windows.

He was failed miserably by drops

 

this guy would be COOKING right now with DJ and CMC

 

so where am I going with all this, we need to surround him with above average talent

 

Hurst is TRASH

Mingo is a #3 at best but he can develop

Thielen has been amazing but his role is a #2

Chark isn’t special

TMJ should be Canadian league

RBs are meh at best

 

remedy?

assets, Burns is an asset and we can trade him for draft capital to help this team build around Young

Ship sailed. Even if we trade burns this front office isn't capable of bringing talent like dj and cmc back in the door. 

[Varking]

1 hour ago, travisura said:

That would be the Bear's FO. The deal wasn't happening without DJ.

From what I understood the Bears were open to Brown, Burns or DJ. DJ was the prize but they would have taken Brown or Burns if the other assets going to them were right. 

[FugginPoo]

In hindsight with knowledge of having a QB on rookie deal we should’ve kept CMC, DJ and next years first and drafted Levis at 9 last year …

[Johnstonny]

High talent WR's are a lot of drama....especially if they ain't gettin the ball...They don't want to be here for a 3 year rebuild....so, we have to develop one...um...like DJ....oh yea...We've never drafted sht in a WR...Smitty was a fluke....

[travisura]

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

From what I understood the Bears were open to Brown, Burns or DJ. DJ was the prize but they would have taken Brown or Burns if the other assets going to them were right. 

Do you have any reports that say this? 

[Judo Thoreau]

7 minutes ago, Varking said:

From what I understood the Bears were open to Brown, Burns or DJ. DJ was the prize but they would have taken Brown or Burns if the other assets going to them were right. 

Brown and Burns would’ve been worth more in terms of draft value, but if the Bears wanted the same draft pick compensation for all then it was the right trade numbers wise.

Everything I’ve seen from Fitterer’s draft day trades leads me to believe that he cares a lot about “winning” on the value chart, so that probably played a big role in the decision. 

[Varking]

7 minutes ago, travisura said:

Do you have any reports that say this? 

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/03/2023-nfl-draft-panthers-bears-trade-dj-moore-brian-burns-derrick-brown/
 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/dj-moore-trade-details-revisiting-bears-panthers-nfl-2023/
 

Just Google “Bears would have accepted Burns or Brown instead of DJ Moore”. There’s tons of articles on it. 

[Tbe]

8 minutes ago, travisura said:

Do you have any reports that say this? 

Fitt said Chicago wanted either of the 3, and he felt finding a replacement WR would be easier than a replacement for DE or DL. 

He wasn’t technically wrong, they just missed on those replacements outside Theilen.

Personally, I don’t think we go after AT if DJ were still around. And DJ would be filling all the same roles as AT right now. He’d be the go to guy.

Long story short, we’d be crying about a lack of pass rush AND and lack of receiving talent outside of DJ if DJ were kept and Burns was delt.

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Fitt said Chicago wanted either of the 3, and he felt finding a replacement WR would be easier than a replacement for DE or DL. 

He wasn’t technically wrong, they just missed on those replacements outside Theilen.

Personally, I don’t think we go after AT if DJ were still around. And DJ would be filling all the same roles as AT right now. He’d be the go to guy.

Long story short, we’d be crying about a lack of pass rush AND and lack of receiving talent outside of DJ if DJ were kept and Burns was delt.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/05/d-j-moores-contract-factored-into-bears-trade-effort
 

Poles also talked about it himself. It didn’t need to be DJ. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

Only Fitt would trade up for a rookie QB and trade away his #1 WR in the process.

 

Stupid!

Edited October 30, 2023 by CamWhoaaCam

[travisura]

5 minutes ago, Varking said:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/05/d-j-moores-contract-factored-into-bears-trade-effort
 

Poles also talked about it himself. It didn’t need to be DJ. 

This article mentions that it was easier to get DJ than Burns or Brown, because DJ was the only one not on a rookie deal, which I suppose does point back to it being our FO that ultimately made that call. Though it does sound like Poles thought DJ was the most realistic target, and it just happened to fill a need in a weak market.

[Varking]

Just now, travisura said:

This article mentions that it was easier to get DJ than Burns or Brown, because DJ was the only one not on a rookie deal, which I suppose does point back to it being our FO that ultimately made that call. Though it does sound like Poles thought DJ was the most realistic target, and it just happened to fill a need in a weak market.

We valued two defenders who need contracts more to help out our rookie QB than a stud young WR he could grow with. 

[thennek]

4 hours ago, NAS said:

Give him an above average OL first 

I think it is more than this. Other than Brady, the line that played yesterday was the same that played last year. Last year this line was average to above average even to a point of them keeping Campen as one of the few coaches from the Rhule regime.  I think it is scheme versus talent.
I think the new scheme they’re running needs this year needs to change to more of a power running game similar to what they ran late last year and we’re very successful at it.

 

[travisura]

1 minute ago, Varking said:

We valued two defenders who need contracts more to help out our rookie QB than a stud young WR he could grow with. 

I would argue that keeping Brown over DJ was the right call. Burns, I can't make that argument.