Reviewing Bryce draft projections, and a word on “flashing”

[electro's horse]

tl:dr all Bryce’s mechanic flaws were present at Alabama, he was just able to overcome them because of the talent. NFL is making them way worse. Stop saying “flash” potential. All he does is have moments where he shows he can do the bare minimum. 
 

On another board I asked how so many people missed the red flags on Bryce that we’re seeing, namely his footwork. It’s been interesting going back and looking at videos and seeing a whole lot of “but if there’s one thing….”

this is a really good one. Footwork starts at about 1:20

Key points 

1. Bryce doesn’t turn his hips because he struggles to see the field when he does

2. he stands on his tip toes, again, to see over the line

3. His drop back is about a step too slow

4. for someone who loves to throw on the run he’s actually not great at it

5. his mechanics cause an accuracy sink that didn’t really show up on his Alabama film too bad

6. he doesn’t have the natural arm talent to overcome it

the most important thing in this video is the guy says that the small things like not leading a receiver, not having feet set, etc are going to be magnified at the nfl level and boy howdy did he call that. 
 

This is basically who he’s always been. So if you’re holding out hope he blossoms into an nfl quarterback, it doesn’t mean going back to what he did at Alabama; it means creating an entirely new quarterback.

And a word on flashing

I see this being mentioned a lot here and other places, and even on national broadcasts, that Bryce is “flashing” what made him the number one overall pick x 2. 
 

what Bryce is doing is not flashing. Flashing is cam just hucking up sixty yard bomb to Steve smith on his first nfl drive. It’s showing something amazing or earth shattering. Something that gives you hope in an otherwise forgettable season.  
 

About 3-5 times a game, Bryce just makes an nfl caliber throw. These are throws I watched Levis make with ease two weeks ago. They’re throws that Joe Flacco can still make. They’re part of a basic route tree that someone like Tommy Devito is practicing. 

 

If this is flashing, he’s showing brief glimpses of competence. These moments are just times he can meet the job requirements. And he struggles to do this even with a good play call, as evidenced by his “bomb” to chark yesterday that was an easy TD if he had any arm strength.  That’s not encouraging. 
 

words matter  

Edited December 4, 2023 by electro's horse

[mrcompletely11]

Tldr.  His mechanics suck.  Always has and its a direct result from his size.  

 

 

[hepcat]

I was saying the same stuff all along. After I watched him play against Texas in 2022 I knew he wasn’t good. He faced pressure all game and mustered 1 TD drive. It was good enough for Alabama to luckily win the game because Quinn Ewers got hurt in the first half. But it is a mirror image of his NFL career. Young doesn’t look the part, he doesn’t deliver on the field, and he only looked good at Alabama in ideal circumstances.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

the alabama propaganda machine is too fuging good. look at how they made the playoffs yesterday over florida state just based off "narratives" lol.

they made bryce look like some football wunderkind meanwhile he's throwing it into double coverage for no reason and looking like a lost child in a mall

if bryce goes to any other school he's a 3rd rounder at best

Edited December 4, 2023 by Sean Payton's Vicodin

[electro's horse]

8 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

the alabama propaganda machine is too fuging good. look at how they made the playoffs yesterday over florida state just based off "narratives" lol.

 

Dude this is a thing too I just don’t know how to put it into words well. Like we’re absolutely getting sold something every game, even as we see him on the field just not being able to do it. 

[ickmule]

21 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

the alabama propaganda machine is too fuging good. look at how they made the playoffs yesterday over florida state just based off "narratives" lol.

they made bryce look like some football wunderkind meanwhile he's throwing it into double coverage for no reason and looking like a lost child in a mall

if bryce goes to any other school he's a 3rd rounder at best

So many of us said this since before the draft. He’s not, nor never will be, NFL material. Tepper and his sidekick were fooled by a soft spoken sweet kid that can talk football, he just can’t play it at this level.  

[TLGPanthersFan]

Will Stroud and Tua have been the exception. 
Never draft QBs from Alabama, Ohio or USC. 
I know Caleb Williams is getting a ton of hype but the fact he is from USC would have me worried if we did have our first pick. 

[TheBigKat]

14 minutes ago, ickmule said:

So many of us said this since before the draft. He’s not, nor never will be, NFL material. Tepper and his sidekick were fooled by a soft spoken sweet kid that can talk football, he just can’t play it at this level.  

but he's amazing with a X-box controller

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, TheBigKat said:

but he's amazing with a X-box controller

Its insane.  You seriously couldnt make this up, we traded all that capital for a kid whose best trait is he played a video game well. 

[carpanfan96]

There was a reason he was my qb3 in the draft and it wasn't just his size. He also took a ton of pressure that he shouldn't have at Alabama. 

 

The reason it was all overlooked is NFL scouts try to get cute and think one trait can overcome a ton of issues in players. With Bryce that was his football mind. Which I question because of the extra pressure he cause while at Alabama. 

[rayzor]

i bought it. 

[carpanfan96]

I'll add this, his bad traits showing up and not having been fixed in training camp...

 

Makes me question having him as my qb3. Maybe shoulda been qb5 or 6. 

 

I said it before the draft, trading up to #1 meant picking one of two qb's. 

 

AR because his floor is much higher than people think. His footwork is tons better than BY and it shows on tape. 

Or Stroud the player most ready to step in and play. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by carpanfan96

[csx]

Probably should have let someone else run the famous Protection meeting. He destroyed once promising offensive lineman.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

I'll add this, his bad traits showing up and not having been fixed in training camp...

 

Makes me question having him as my qb3. Maybe shoulda been qb5 or 6. 

Its just nuts that his mechanics havent been cleaned up yet.  I mean if a moron like  me from new bern can see it how the fug can his coaches not?