The S2 lab and its testing... not for the faint of heart

[toldozer]

22 minutes ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

These videos can be used as evidence against the snake oil salesmen at S2, if Tepper ever decides to sue them.

Anyone can sell Tepper a bill of goods he's the most gullible billionaire out there.  I bet if I got a meeting with him I could convince him to give me a couple mil on some bullshit 

[PghPanther]

So what good is the S2 assessment of the cognitive multi-reactive timing/spatial awareness in the brain when the skeletal/muscular infrastructure of the body is incapable of expediating the neuropathy way of that stimulus in an efficient manner?

Image the cognitive skill set of a Formula 1 driver in a race against other F1 drivers and F1 cars.........but instead of piloting a high tech F1 car this particular high cognitive skill set driver has to send his inputs into a Honda Civic to race against the other competitors in their F1 machines. 

S2 is only as good as the supportive structure of that stimulus............Young might have an S2 brain but he's got a Honda Civic body trying to compete against the speed of NFL players with F1 racing bodies...........

...................and an educated billionaire get past his ego to realize this? 

 

 

 

[d-dave]

I think the main thing to remember about any testing done for the NFL is that it's only there to confirm an observation.

A guy looks fast on film?  Then he's probably fast on the track.  If not, figure out why.  Bryce does have a lot of gifts like his anticipation, accuracy and mindset.  BUT the problem he's facing now is that he's not physically capable of solving problems with his body.  Again, not everyone can be Big Ben or Cam Newton who are hard to take down based on their size alone.  Not everyone can be as fast as Lamar Jackson.  Some QBs have very special physical traits which allow them to mitigate offensive problems.

Look at many of the "cerebral" QBs.  Rodgers is a good athlete, but he still goes down (when his Achilles tendon isn't broken) when the pocket collapses.  Joe Burrow?  Good athlete but he can't carry a team on his back like a physical freak.  Mahomes is a very good athlete that can extended plays, but he still needs support to dominate.  You can go on, but the truth is MOST qbs need help.

The S2 is just a test.  It's designed to see how well a subject can handle multiple stimuli at the same time and process the information.  That's an important part of being a QB for sure, but it's not the end all/be all.

I think most of the NFL was still probably Bryce 1 / CJ 2 before and after the test based on their college resumes.  The S2 was just more data that the media ran away with like wonderlic scores.  What does it all mean in the grand scheme of things?  Either a guy can play or they can't.  Right now, CJ is showing he can.  I still hold out hope for Bryce with a new staff to actually develop him.  But if Bryce fails again, then he will join the long list of QBs with great college careers and poor NFL careers.  That's why the draft is always a crap shoot.

[strato]

If most of the NFL was in on him being NFL Number 1 dude, then most of the NFL are idiots. I honestly don’t get allowing a guy with his size issues being the top of the heap especially not having more impressive physical traits to offset the disadvantage. 

His lack of arm strength limits things situationally especially off schedule. 

WTF was there to like that wins games in the NFL? People are nuts. 

[KSpan]

14 hours ago, Selltheteamtepper said:

I literally still believe in the product. A. Who knows if the leaked scores are real, the owner said they weren’t and as we know the media was eager to pump Bryce. B. I think having necessary size is a precursor to the test even being relevant, there’s no way to make 5’8 180 work. Levis and Purdy scored super high and they’re doing well.

Exactly. The mental cannot be fully detached from the physical, and that dynamic was always ignored as the S2 was being over hyped this past offseason 

[electro's horse]

in the first S2 thread i explained thoroughly how the creators took various things from something called a Neuropsych Evaluation and slapped it on QB performance. Neuropsych Evals are very detailed tests to figure out exactly what neuro-cognitive deficits a patient has (Lewy Body, Stroke, TBI, etc).

One part of  it measures what is called visual spatial coordination or processing, it's called a few things. Basically how you take visual information, process it, and act (or don't) on it. A very simple example of this is the drawing a clock test. It requires the patient to recall an abstract concept (time), a concrete expression of it (a clock), and recreate this mechanically (draw it.) Alzheimer's for example looks like this. 

The actual NeuroPsych test is much more in depth and measures ocular reflexes and a whole host of other things. They took that and just said "good quarterbacks do X. Do you want to be good?"

On top of that, they teach classes for QBs to do better on this test. So they were trying to make their test part of the player evaluation process and were selling classes to get better at it.

This was a transparent scam and a massive HIPAA violation from the start and one day I'm going to go through that old S2 thread and shame every fuging idiot who decided they wanted to argue with a Neurology APP about it. 

[kungfoodude]

16 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

good to know you are on the keyboard stalking my every posts.... If I make an onlyfans would you pay?

Depends, you showing butthole?

[Beast_3000]

15 hours ago, toldozer said:

Anyone can sell Tepper a bill of goods he's the most gullible billionaire out there.  I bet if I got a meeting with him I could convince him to give me a couple mil on some bullshit 

He just has a low sports IQ. His business acumen is impressive considering he wasn't handed millions like most billionaires. 

Teppers problem is he has the big head because he was able to make billions from buying undervalued stock . He thinks he’s the smartest man in the room, when he’s far from it, when it comes to team building, picking players, picking coaches.

I would be surprised if he played anything past pee wee soccer because he doesn't understand the importance of camaraderie or a coach that garners the respect of their players.

[TheBigKat]

1 minute ago, Beast_3000 said:

 

I would be surprised if he played anything past pee wee soccer because he doesn't understand the importance of camaraderie or a coach that garners the respect of their players.

does this look like someone who played organized sports?

[TheBigKat]

2 minutes ago, Beast_3000 said:

I would be surprised if he played anything past pee wee soccer because he doesn't understand the importance of camaraderie or a coach that garners the respect of their players.

I miss the OG Big Cat.... he'd never let this franchise turn into a total cesspool 

[ickmule]

10 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Depends, you showing butthole?

I hope it’s bleached if he is. 

[kungfoodude]

10 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

does this look like someone who played organized sports?

I keep spreading that picture, as well. 

Hopefully it takes off.

[LinvilleGorge]

That legitimately looked like Madden just with Xs and Os instead of actual graphics. We drafted a guy in large part because he was better at video games. Lordy mercy.

[electro's horse]

On 12/13/2023 at 7:26 AM, PghPanther said:

So what good is the S2 assessment of the cognitive multi-reactive timing/spatial awareness in the brain when the skeletal/muscular infrastructure of the body is incapable of expediating the neuropathy way of that stimulus in an efficient manner?

musculoskeletal system has nothing to do with neurotransmission.