Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

The Final Drive


Seltzer
 Share

Recommended Posts

2 minutes ago, Frank9999 said:

Drew brees looked awful after 3 seasons. Look man trajectory of qbs not all the same, its just too early. He could end up really good behind a stout oline. Its just your opinion I respect it but theres still a chance for him for sure 

image.png.4c0b9010d6b4b6101f6edb79ba5e060d.png

Brees was bigger first off.  His second season he missed games due to injury. Outside of picks, which are normally high for young QBs, his stats are well ahead of Young's in his first season starting.  Brees also got picked from Perdue which is not a football powerhouse.  He got drafted on his merit despite not having the 5-star blue chippers throughout the whole roster like 'Bama.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, Frank9999 said:

And man honestly I think saying he lacks arm strength is nonsense. That throw he made last week to Mingo stepping back to his left where he overshot Mingo showed excellent arm strength. 

nah, he clearly doesn't have the type NFL arm you generally look for.   There flat out are throws he can't make.  I mean he technically can attempt them but the ball isn't going to get there in time.   Or he is taking as sack because he can't just flick it out there and needs to put his body positioned behind a lot of throws. 

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Frank9999 said:

Drew brees looked awful after 3 seasons. Look man trajectory of qbs not all the same, its just too early. He could end up really good behind a stout oline. Its just your opinion I respect it but theres still a chance for him for sure 

Brees did not look 'awful' his first years, and with respect to this discussion about Bryce you could still tell that the physicla tools were there regardles of how he was playing. That is Bryce's biggest issue - the tools aren't there, and it's a very, very slim chance that his physical traits like arm strength appreciably increase from where they are now.

Bryce's arm looks exactly how it did in college, but the NFL is faster than things were in college. I'm open to being shown a QB whose arm strength increased notably form college to the NFL, as I can't think of one. Unless that somehow Bryce's ceiling will always be capped and based on what he's showing this year the 'processing' and other intangible items are not as advertised either.

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

image.png.4c0b9010d6b4b6101f6edb79ba5e060d.png

Brees was bigger first off.  His second season he missed games due to injury. Outside of picks, which are normally high for young QBs, his stats are well ahead of Young's in his first season starting.  Brees also got picked from Perdue which is not a football powerhouse.  He got drafted on his merit despite not having the 5-star blue chippers throughout the whole roster like 'Bama.

And in the early 2000s before the rule changes really benefitted the offense - I think that's something that really gets lost when people atrtempt to compare rookie years from guys that played 20+ years ago. Bryce has all of those benefits and still looks as poor as he does.

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Frank9999 said:

I just dont agree with this man, but whatever 

I mean, I just don't see how anyone can argue Bryce doesn't have a weak arm by NFL standards.   You could argue you don't need a strong arm and can still get it done.   Which you can.  But Bryce Young flat out can not make the throws other QBs can.   Which is going to limit him/us.  I think that is undeniable if you watch him.  Some plays if they are there.....aren't.  Because he can't get the ball there. 

  • Pie 3
  • Poo 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't think Bryce has a strong arm but his problem is footwork more than arm strength imo. And his height exacerbates that. 

Also overthrowing someone isn't evidence of a strong arm. 

I don't think Bryce has a weaker arm than Tua for instance, but Tua has better footwork.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Frank9999 said:

We would be more of an epic joke to move on from Bryce after one dud season after how much conviction and how much we invested. Whether you guys like it or not hes here for prob at least 3 seasons 

We arent moving on from bryce after 1 year and with no first rounder.  No rational poster thinks this is a reasonable scenario.  However there are a lot of posters that see how this movie ends and it aint pretty.  I think he gets next year and then the new FO and coach have a huge decision to make.   Even as it stands now, especially after watching him yesterday, I cannot imagine there will be many coaches interested in this job knowing you are tethered to Young for even 1 year, now if you are saying he has to be out guy through year 3 thats going to turn off any hot coaching candidate

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

We arent moving on from bryce after 1 year and with no first rounder.  No rational poster thinks this is a reasonable scenario.  However there are a lot of posters that see how this movie ends and it aint pretty.  I think he gets next year and then the new FO and coach have a huge decision to make.   Even as it stands now, especially after watching him yesterday, I cannot imagine there will be many coaches interested in this job knowing you are tethered to Young for even 1 year, now if you are saying he has to be out guy through year 3 thats going to turn off any hot coaching candidate

I do however think we should bring in some type of competition. Young should be able to show enough growth to win the job over someone like Minshew (just an example). I don’t think he should be handed the role as a starter. Hopefully he improves a lot over the offseason and takes and runs with the job next year. I just don’t see it, but hopefully I’m really wrong on this one.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

We arent moving on from bryce after 1 year and with no first rounder.  No rational poster thinks this is a reasonable scenario.  However there are a lot of posters that see how this movie ends and it aint pretty.  I think he gets next year and then the new FO and coach have a huge decision to make.   Even as it stands now, especially after watching him yesterday, I cannot imagine there will be many coaches interested in this job knowing you are tethered to Young for even 1 year, now if you are saying he has to be out guy through year 3 thats going to turn off any hot coaching candidate

image.png.8e4caf264fc223a2212725dd674e38c0.png

A QBR a tic above Zack Wilson for last place.  How many of those guys showed potential beyond year 1?  Maybe Jones and Fields, but they still are struggling. Point being, people who have watched this game nearly their entire lives can see the potential in most players, especially at the QB position since it's so hyper-focused upon.  People can say stats lie, and while true, generally those are cherry picked or flawed raw data.  In this instance, QBR is applied to all qualifying QBs in the NFL.  This is not a cherry picked stat and I'm nearly certain the raw data is solid.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

56 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think Bryce has a strong arm but his problem is footwork more than arm strength imo. And his height exacerbates that. 

Also overthrowing someone isn't evidence of a strong arm. 

I don't think Bryce has a weaker arm than Tua for instance, but Tua has better footwork.

When he has a pocket and his feet are planted you get throws like that Chark throw. I think you are spot on about his being his footwork. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I thought he had a few really nice flashes.  I can see him showing out this year 
    • I have heard that before--when standing in front of a full body mirror at Old Navy.  I said it, actually. Seriously, Let's go on what we know. There is reason for optimism that exceeds random opinions and negativity: 1. Last year, the offense was the priority and the interior offensive line was the focal point. Morgan addressed it in free agency and the draft. They improved.  2.  Last year, Canales pulled Young after 2 games and replaced him with an established veteran.  Instead of giving up on Young, he developed him, primarily focusing on his footwork and timing.  Continued development in his fundamentals should result in improved play.  (this is significant because some athletes rely on natural ability and do not adapt well.  They resort to old habits. This means that Bryce is "teachable" and is willing to face adversity and fight through it.  That is what you want in a QB.) 3. Morgan drafted a raw talent at WR; and we all knew he was raw.  Huddlers are already calling it a bust, but his productivity numbers were in line with the other WRs drafted around where he was drafted.  So, yes, he was a bit disappointing, but what part of "Raw" is not understood here?  Evil Bryce, then inconsistent Dalton, then good Bryce--all while facing the top defensive backs--and let's not forget about his lingering injuries--and we should understand XL's productivity.  Morgan was looking for a home run based on XL's 1-season productivity and his freakish athleticism, but I always thought we would not know what we have until year 2.  TMac alone will make XL better--a solid #2. 4.  If you blame Morgan for drafting XL, you must give him credit for making Coker a priority free agent.  In my view, he addressed WR in 2024 pretty effectively in the long view.  5.  Let's look at the rest of the draft.  Brooks?  The best RB in the draft in round 2?  Morgan was attempting to build a solid run game behind Bryce.  Wallace was a very solid third round pick at LB. Sanders is a strong TE for a fourth round pick. 6.  Not much is being said about the development of Chau Smith-Wade.  His improvement mirrors Bryce Young's, actually.  In his first 8 games, his PFF rating was 36.5.  In the final 9 games, his PFF rating was 66.7.   7.  With so many needs, Morgan hit the UDFA market with success. In addition to Coker, Demani Richardson got 400+ snaps and had a 60.1 PFF grade, including an interception. 8.  In free agency, Morgan spent big bucks on Guards, a move that made his QB better. He added David Moore, Nijman,  He signed Clowney, Wonnum, Robinson, Jewel, Chaisson, Fuller, Scott, D. Jackson, Dionte Johnson, etc.  A few years of Fitterer left him with more holes that players.  Some did not work out, but he did all this on a budget (after he splurged on Lewis and Hunt).  It is hard to get a free agent to come to a team that loses--so in some cases, Morgan had to overpay or accept questionable players. Morgan's first year as a GM demonstrated an understanding of the game like we have not seen since Polian, before his lost it. Canales, on the other hand, should be rated by the improvement of players.  Zavala, Ekwonu, Mays, Young, Smith-Wade, Coker, Wallace--all improved.  He had to overcome major losses such as D. Brown, Shaq, Dionte Johnson, Corbett--and we saw growth.  Despite all this team went through, after 8 games of disarray, This team finished 4-5 with close losses to both Super Bowl teams.  Frankly, I do not know how he did it. This year was better.  The WR room is solid with depth.  The OL room is solid with depth.  The TE room is as good as it has been in a while.  The RB room has the potential to be as good as it was when we had 28 and 34.  DBs?  Better.  DL?  Better.  Edge?  better.  The bottom of the roster?  Much better. We really don't know what we have yet, and that makes this offseason exciting.      
    • Here you go. 2 yards. Bryce Sneak.mp4
×
×
  • Create New...