With Panthers cleaning house how safe is Bryce

[CRA]

16 minutes ago, NAS said:

The only trade that was close to being as bad as Panthers was 49ers trade for Lance, but Lynch and Shannahan kept their jobs by finding Mr. Irrelevant.  Also, they still built an amazingly strong roster on both sides of the ball so it can be done.

in a vacuum it's a worse trade.  bad things happen.  what the 49ers did however, was not buy into some mistake that they were then forced to be stuck with someone who couldn't get the job done. 

we shouldn't want a new GM/HC that is committed to Bryce Young no matter what.  We should always be looking to build a complete roster with depth.   You don't double and triple down on stuff that isn't working. 

I think Bryce can improve in a better scenario.  But it's not a given.  He has a lot working against him that most guys drafted in his position aren't having to overcome.  And I am totally open to that fact he could have a sophomore slump and get worse.   Because NFL teams are going to have an offseason and 16 games to then gameplan for a limited QB.  And Bryce is limited. 

[Shotgun]

On 1/8/2024 at 11:19 AM, Hoenheim said:

Best case for bryce would be a jared goff type rise  

Like a 6" growth spurt?

[PanthersGTI]

Bryce is going to have to duke it out with whatever vet the new HC brings in. 

[Jon Snow]

33 minutes ago, NAS said:

The only trade that was close to being as bad as Panthers was 49ers trade for Lance, but Lynch and Shannahan kept their jobs by finding Mr. Irrelevant.  Also, they still built an amazingly strong roster on both sides of the ball so it can be done.

Their saving grace was the rest of the roster they built. If not for that and getting absolutely lucky with Mr. Irrelevant they would be unemployed over the Lance debacle. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Their saving grace was the rest of the roster they built. If not for that and getting absolutely lucky with Mr. Irrelevant they would be unemployed over the Lance debacle. 

The luck part was jimmy g being hurt so Purdy took all of the 2nd string reps in camp.  They knew what they had and he got valuable practice time so he could step in after lance went down

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

The only guy that should be safe is Derrick “Bad News” Brown

[strato]

People think that Tepper will give the job to someone who tells him Bryce is NOT the guy? 

The Carolina Teppers are digging deeper not filling it in. 

[strato]

On 1/8/2024 at 11:07 AM, Frank9999 said:

Dude tepper firing everyone after this season is already admitting he was wrong. I think too much is being made of this supposed attachment to Bryce. 

Hope you are right. But then his wife will be mad at him. 

[BenjaminBreeg]

11 hours ago, recceice said:

 

This board is filled with ppl living in a bubble..

Reality check.. 

1. More than half the league had him as the number 1 QB coming out.. Meaning most of the ppl we are looking to hire thought he was the best QB in the draft..

 

2. Most of the league aren’t looking at this season as a BY issue.. The Panthers in many respected league analysts opinion were the problem not BY.. So it’s a good chance you will be able to find a coach that wanted to work with BY before this season and still does now.. 

 

3. Tepper will be more of a reason coaches and GM’s won’t come here before BY.. (Number 1 reason) imo

The Oline will be more of a reason coaches won’t come here then BY..

Having to rebuild the weapons around him will be a bigger reason ppl might say no then BY..

Ppl need to just prepare themselves for this reality..

 

We get it. You're gay for Bryce. You want to marry him, but does he even know you exist?

Edited January 9, 2024 by BenjaminBreeg

[IndyPanther]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

in a vacuum it's a worse trade.  bad things happen.  what the 49ers did however, was not buy into some mistake that they were then forced to be stuck with someone who couldn't get the job done. 

we shouldn't want a new GM/HC that is committed to Bryce Young no matter what.  We should always be looking to build a complete roster with depth.   You don't double and triple down on stuff that isn't working. 

I think Bryce can improve in a better scenario.  But it's not a given.  He has a lot working against him that most guys drafted in his position aren't having to overcome.  And I am totally open to that fact he could have a sophomore slump and get worse.   Because NFL teams are going to have an offseason and 16 games to then gameplan for a limited QB.  And Bryce is limited. 

I actually don't believe in what the 49ers did at all. They gave up everything for Lance only to trade him for peanuts after THREE games played. I don't care who you are, you are not a bust after 3 games. For pespective, Bryce Young has played over 5x as many games for the Panthers as Lance did for the 49ers. Sure, sunk cost fallacy and all that but you don't know what you have after 3 games, especially with someone with such raw talent as Lance.

The dumbest part is that they cut him for someone who is undebatably 100x less talented. Purdy has shown exactly who he is when he doesn't have all three of his future HOFers.

Edited January 9, 2024 by IndyPanther

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, IndyPanther said:

I actually don't believe in what the 49ers did at all. They gave up everything for Lance only to trade him for peanuts after THREE games played. I don't care who you are, you are not a bust after 3 games. For pespective, Bryce Young has played over 5x as many games for the Panthers as Lance did for the 49ers.

The dumbest part is that they cut him for someone who is undebatably 100x less talented. Purdy has shown exactly who he is when he doesn't have all three of his future HOFers.

they also had him in camp/practice.  Lance wasn't good enough to be on the field.  He wasn't where/what Shanahan needed for his O to tick.....he wasn't there. 

I mean, he can be way more talented than Purdy and Purdy make the Shannahan engine go more efficiently.  Which is what we saw.   And all that matters to the coach/team.  I mean, I got the 49ers in the Super Bowl at this point.  Don't you? 

I'm not certain Lance is a bust.  He could still develop into something.  Everyone isn't day 1 ready.  That's okay.  He sure never appeared that way.   But that's the expectation of the pick from everyone around football (fans/media/etc) and there was going to a lot of noise.   Trade location stunk for Lance though.  He needs injury in Dallas for a shot. 

I don't think they traded Lance because they thought Sam was more talented lol.  I think they were looking to quiet the noise and nonsense everyone would have to do deal with in SF if Lance stayed.  It's a distraction that doesn't really go away given what they gave up for him and what he was SUPPOSED to be.  They just took it on the chin and moved on.   

[IndyPanther]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

they also had him in camp/practice.  Lance wasn't good enough to be on the field.  He wasn't where/what Shanahan needed for his O to tick.....he wasn't there. 

I mean, he can be way more talented than Purdy and Purdy make the Shannahan engine go more efficiently.  Which is what we saw.   And all that matters to the coach/team.  I mean, I got the 49ers in the Super Bowl at this point.  Don't you? 

I'm not certain Lance is a bust.  He could still develop into something.  Everyone isn't day 1 ready.  That's okay.  He sure never appeared that way.   But that's the expectation of the pick from everyone around football (fans/media/etc) and there was going to a lot of noise.   Trade location stunk for Lance though.  He needs injury in Dallas for a shot. 

I don't think they traded Lance because they thought Sam was more talented lol.  I think they were looking to quiet the noise and nonsense everyone would have to do deal with in SF if Lance stayed.  It's a distraction that doesn't really go away given what they gave up for him and what he was SUPPOSED to be.  They just took it on the chin and moved on.   

No, watching him in practice is not good enough evaluation when you gave up 3 first round picks to get him.

I don't have the 49ers in the Super Bowl, although I admittedly stopped watching the NFL when Flacco was signed over Cam. But the 3 game stretch without Deebo showed exactly who Purdy is - someone who needs his skill position players to be 3x-4x more talented than those defending them. That will simply not happen 3 consecutive times in the playoffs.

No one is certain Lance is a bust... unless you can travel to a dimension in which he actually played in the NFL. It's just likely he would've been a HOFer as a bust.

I get why they wouldn't want Lance as a backup but not why they wouldn't want him as a starter, especially considering the other options on the roster.

Malik Willis, Trey Lance, and even present-day Cam Newton are more talented than half the QBs starting in the NFL this year, yet it only took 7 games played in the last 3 seasons BETWEEN THEM to determine that all 3 are done and cannot play in the NFL.

Remember when Baker was done after his 5 games here?

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, IndyPanther said:

No, watching him in practice is not good enough evaluation when you gave up 3 first round picks to get him.

I don't have the 49ers in the Super Bowl, although I admittedly stopped watching the NFL when Flacco was signed over Cam. But the 3 game stretch without Deebo showed exactly who Purdy is - someone who needs his skill position players to be 3x-4x more talented than those defending them. That will simply not happen 3 consecutive times in the playoffs.

No one is certain Lance is a bust... unless you can travel to a dimension in which he actually played in the NFL. It's just likely he would've been a HOFer as a bust.

I get why they wouldn't want Lance as a backup but not why they wouldn't want him as a starter, especially considering the other options on the roster.

Malik Willis, Trey Lance, and even present-day Cam Newton are more talented than half the QBs starting in the NFL this year, yet it only took 7 games played in the last 3 seasons BETWEEN THEM to determine that all 3 are done and cannot play in the NFL.

Remember when Baker was done after his 5 games here?

Baker is in the playoff because the NFCS stink not because he is good, just good enough. Good for him but no he isn't a good QB. 

Lance appeared in 19 games in three years (edit: lol 8 games in 2 seasons, I used his school games le sigh Link I used), they knew what they had. He didn't play more because of injury and poor play. Lance is a bust for them but he has the next few seasons to try and prove he isn't a complete bust. In that situation with Purdy looking better there wasn't any reasons to keep him around and a lot of reasons to not do so.

Willis has looked awful, no where close to NFL level playable but he is on a rookie deal but also has to face a new HC (still has not thrown a TD in 11 games of play). Cam is awesome but his shoulder is done so unless someone is using him as a powerback he doesn't have an NFL future barring some kind of medical miracle. Purdy is a great fit in that system but yeah Cam was right and a lot of people still do not like that.

Edited January 9, 2024 by Waldo

[Waldo]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Yeah, I think it’s sort of overlooked how quick and easy Tepper could be done with Bryce.  Tepper cuts his losses quicker than a lot of owners.  I mean he is putting himself in position to have to do it….but he still does it. 
 

End of the day QB play is just that.  What you gave up for a player doesn’t really matter.  And it’s why Mr Irrelevant might play in the Super Bowl this year and the last guy who cost as much as Bryce is somewhere on a bench with another team.  The gotta give him 2-3 years just because mantra just ain’t something I am buy in todays NFL.  

He absolutely could Teddy him this offseason and I have mixed feelings, at least get some value or it will look terrible to not give him at least a toke additional season to try and improve. Tepper has seen he isn't good enough. The only question is does he understand that and will he allow a good plan to make that mistake go away? No idea but that possibility does exist with his history.