So how did we get it so wrong with Baker Mayfield?!? Coaching / Roster / Culture / Tepper?

[LinvilleGorge]

Baker is an average starter. We're a trash franchise.

[GoobyPls]

Baker is a decent QB who can’t overcome a bad team, we were a bad team 2022 , we were even worst this past season. Very few QBs would be successful on this god awful roster and coaching staff 

[GhostOfDocAnderson]

16 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Baker is a decent QB who can’t overcome a bad team, we were a bad team 2022 , we were even worst this past season. Very few QBs would be successful on this god awful roster and coaching staff 

He couldn't overcome his desire to leave for a better organization. He never wanted to be here, didn't want to stay here, but I'm glad he's finding success after bouncing around the league. 

[FugginPoo]

Does this mean that maybe just maybe Bryce isn’t trash but it’s the overall team and coaching on offense that is trash?  That CJ stroud wouldn’t be rookie of year on this team/coaching?

[PleaseCutStewart]

Baker has much better weapons than we do. We had DJ, CMC for half the year, and a bunch of JAGs last year.

We also shouldn't forget that McDooDoo's playcalling was atrocious until maybe the last 5 games of the year.

Personally, I thought both Baker and Sammy Boy were solid QBs - they are game managers that can get the ball to good skill position players. Not sure if Baker just didn't care to be with us or what, but I personally thought Darnold was good for us last year overall

[PleaseCutStewart]

21 minutes ago, FugginPoo said:

Does this mean that maybe just maybe Bryce isn’t trash but it’s the overall team and coaching on offense that is trash?  That CJ stroud wouldn’t be rookie of year on this team/coaching?

The difference is even if CJ Stroud were "bad" for us, he would still make those wow throws that would make you realize he is legit and the future. How many has Bryce had the entire season... like 3???

Lets call a spade a spade - Bryce is a fringe NFL QB starter that is stuck on a team void of offensive talent. Both can be possible and sadly is the case.

[csx]

We traded for a guy we knew the OC wasn't a fan of. Not that it was personal but their styles didn't mix.

 

[GhostOfDocAnderson]

27 minutes ago, FugginPoo said:

Does this mean that maybe just maybe Bryce isn’t trash but it’s the overall team and coaching on offense that is trash?  That CJ stroud wouldn’t be rookie of year on this team/coaching?

Nah, Bryce is trash. Good quarterbacks elevate those around him. Bryce has until the end of next season to show he's worth keeping. If not, cut bait. 

[RayRedd]

1 hour ago, GhostOfDocAnderson said:

He couldn't overcome his desire to leave for a better organization. He never wanted to be here, didn't want to stay here, but I'm glad he's finding success after bouncing around the league. 

Did he get a better offer?

Or was he cut?

[GhostOfDocAnderson]

50 minutes ago, RayRedd said:

Did he get a better offer?

Or was he cut?

He asked to be released. 

[cardiackat88.]

I think you could put any current QB or any QB from any era in their prime on this team (or any of these Panthers teams within the last 5 years) and they would absolutely suck ass.

[HardcoreHokie]

1 hour ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Personally, I thought both Baker and Sammy Boy were solid QBs - they are game managers that can get the ball to good skill position players. Not sure if Baker just didn't care to be with us or what, but I personally thought Darnold was good for us last year overall

Baker was also pretty good filling in for Stafford in LA.

And Darnold has looked pretty good in spot duty in SF.

It’s like all of our recent players and coordinators who looked bad here then thrive elsewhere.  It really is painful to watch.

[strato]

1 hour ago, csx said:

We traded for a guy we knew the OC wasn't a fan of. Not that it was personal but their styles didn't mix.

 

And it seemed like he came in late, as an afterthought but not that because it illustrated how unenthusiastic Rhule or whoever was over what they already had done at the position.

You could just tell it was someone panicking behind the scenes, hint hint, about the QB position. Which has been the norm for 4 years at least, I lose track. 

[Tbe]

On our team Baker looked like he forgot how to play and would never play again. He could barely complete a pass at times.

There are a lot of issues, but our team culture is trash. Players just don’t want to work/play hard.

Cam said as much when he left.