So how did we get it so wrong with Baker Mayfield?!? Coaching / Roster / Culture / Tepper?

[electro's horse]

Baker was probably not fully healthy in Carolina. Not that he’ll ever be fully healthy, but he was hurting a little and I don’t think he really got back into shape until later in the year. 
 

bob Mcadoo ran a notoriously complex offense in New York when he was the OC. Just tons of option routes and stuff requiring the wr and qb to be on the same page. Like they both need to be able to read outside leverage and a safe drifting away and both knowing they need to throw the inside variant. 
 

this is a huge problem for baker for three reasons. The first is that Rhule split first team reps all through training camp and preseason for whatever goddamn reason. I think Rhule really thought have an open competition was more important than letting baker build up a rapport with the receivers.
 

People talk about Bryce and receivers not being on the same page every time he three hops a pass or tosses it into the front row. that’s just a qb being poo. Baker was very clearly throwing different routes than the receivers were running. After the first month of the season the wheels were falling off. And that leads to point number two….

Baker is pure vibes. Just the vibes-iest qb in the league. I cannot explain this but it’s just one of those things that you’ll agree with if you think about it. We all know people like that: great when things are going well, useless when things are challenging. When things are going good they’re good. When things are not they’re not. Imagine a dude like that on this team

Lastly baker isn’t exactly a cerebral qb, or person. This is a guy who drove an hour to cheat on his wife in a Cheesecake Factory parking lot. Mcadoos offense was probably the worst thing for him. Everyone was talking about how amazing it was he learned the playbook in LA on short notice, but McVay probably was telling him where to throw over headset. 
 

I think he would have done well in the second half of the season when Wilkes told Mcadoo to stop being fuging cute and run the damn ball. Baker excels when he’s making simple reads and just slinging it. He’s doing so well in Tampa because he’s got two wide receivers that can get open. He doesn’t have a hose of an arm; he’s more a poor man’s Joe burrow. But he can execute a simple offense and that’s what the bucs did. 
 

i don’t know what happens with baker moving forward. Bucs might be without Canales, their offensive coordinator, and Mike Evans who they didn’t extend. They’re probably gonna resign him. 
 

But that’s what happened in Carolina. Overly complex offense, not enough time with receivers because of Rhule, and bad vibes. 

Edited January 16 by electro's horse

[FugginPoo]

21 minutes ago, Tbe said:

On our team Baker looked like he forgot how to play and would never play again. He could barely complete a pass at times.

There are a lot of issues, but our team culture is trash. Players just don’t want to work/play hard.

Cam said as much when he left.

 

Which is why this team needs an alpha coach like vrabel or Harbaugh 

[Tbe]

4 minutes ago, FugginPoo said:

Which is why this team needs an alpha coach like vrabel or Harbaugh 

Agreed, but this team also needs to heavily revamp this offense over the next few years.

An alpha type coach isn’t going to change everyone’s attitudes.

[SuperBowlBound]

8 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

First and foremost I am so happy for him, guy was trashed and torched and is the Geno Smith story of this year

 

But how did we get it sooooooo wrong and TB got it sooooooo right

He had DJ Moore here and CMC

He has Mike Evans and White there

 

Was it bad OC, was it Rhule, was it were cursed?

 

[HardcoreHokie]

11 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

 

They playing “Turn Down for What” on the loudspeaker as the entire team and staff stoically walks onto the field like half-asleep zombies. Pretty sad.

[ForJimmy]

It’s why a lot of people keep saying it’s way more than just a QB issue, it’s our roster and system. Then we traded away CMC and DJ while throwing a rookie back at QB. We have to fix this offense and stop trying to just throw QBs at the problem (Teddy, Sam, Cam, Baker, and Bryce). 

[SuperBowlBound]

48 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

The first is that Rhule split first team reps all through training camp and preseason for whatever goddamn reason.

And don’t forget - they could’ve brought him in much sooner but Tepper & his cap lackey Samir Suleiman refused to trade for him until they “won the deal financially.”  That was a big sticking point for Tepper. Baker needed those damn mini camp reps. Tepper must always win the deal - go back to the 2021 draft video where he gets angry about an offer a team made. Everything is viewed in the lens of an Excel spreadsheet formula under Dave the snake Tepper. 

[scratched]

Because instead of grabbing QBs to solve our problems, we should have been building the Offensive line and other positions. So here we are, with the same problem we have had for years. Wondering if the QB is the problem. FIX THE OL! And surround the QB with some weapons. Then we can properly evaluate the QB position. And the saddest part of it all, I think we have the worst QB behind center now, then we've had in the last few years. Just my opinion

[Mr. Scot]

I suspect the 2023-24 Mayfield story ends next week.

[WUnderhill]

It’s interesting seeing some of the same people who want to heap all of the blame on Bryce Young admitting that maybe Baker wasn’t the problem.

[Mr. Scot]

Tre Boston...

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

The first is that Rhule split first team reps all through training camp and preseason for whatever goddamn reason. I think Rhule really thought have an open competition was more important than letting baker build up a rapport with the receivers.

Rhule later said that the quarterback competition helped unite the team

[Waldo]

Baker is Baker, nothing new. Baker had 339 yards and 1/1 td/ints against us this year in 2 games and had a better game against GB this year with an extra TD and 3 total games of 300+ yards in the season. He also had 3 games with under 150 total yards. He has always been streaky. 

[Mr. Scot]

Side Note: Still pissed that we never got commercials with Baker and his wife living in BOA

Edited January 16 by Mr. Scot