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Statue For Jake Delhomme

KatsAzz

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I dont think too much that he was a bad QB but he just wasnt a good one. For the last 3-4 seasons he played he seemed to try to force way to many throws that only Peyton Manning would be able to make and thats what killed him, so the thought of putting up a statue is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard, sorry man

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You forget Sam Mills was also a GREAT LB coach for us after he played here, and he did soo much in the community before he died. You could also make a case for Minter being there, but not Jake. EVER. It's not about hating him, I like him as a person, and would love to see him come back here in some capacity, like the local radio station. He is not, however, deserving of a statue.

I'll put it this way- we've had 3 real true "franchise" type guys in our existence. Peppers, Smith, and Delhomme. Meaning those guys really defined the team. We never had any legitimate standouts before that. Out of those 3, only one has had a career free of any controversy. That's Delhomme. He's the only franchise quarterback we ever had really. And he's also involved in the community. Did tons of work for the Komen foundation.

My case for Delhomme would be he was the face of our franchise for 6 years. The stadium shook when he came out of the tunnel, he quarterbacked us to the playoffs 3 times, including a Super Bowl and NFC title game. In the mean time, perhaps the most futile season the team ever put together was when it was handed to David Carr in the absence of Delhomme. The very life essence was sucked out of the team when Jake went down. He came back, the team responded with a playoff appearance. The Panthers never won in spite of Delhomme. They won because of him. He didn't put up great numbers, but his presence on the field made the players around him overachieve.

Like I said, the 3 players in our history deserving of a statue are Kasay, Minter, and Delhomme. I would add Peppershit and Smith, but Peppershit was a dick his last two seasons, and Smith has that little itty bitty tendency to punch people in the face.

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First he didn't win a superbowl for us. That would have helped. His stats were not the best in the league for a long period of time. That would have helped He was nearly the worst QB in the league for a year. That didn't help.

Jake had some spectacular years but I think we will have better QBs in the future.

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Only if Jake can have a very confused look on his face while looking towards a statue of a double covered Smith with his hand raised like he's open.

I think I saw enough of Jake as a statue the past two years, thanks. How would they get the bronze football to stay in his hand?

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