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Sam Howell traded to Seattle

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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm in EW. It used to be a lot nicer. 

I've spent a decent amount of time in your area. Used to have a major distributor based in Spokane and several key accounts in western Montana. I'd always either fly into Spokane or Billings and out the other hitting Missoula, Helena, Bozeman, and Kalispell in between. Made the haul out to Dry Falls once just to see it because my flight left in the mid-afternoon and I'd already wrapped up everything I needed to do. Cool thing to see but not the best of drives between there and Spokane. Reminds me of southern Idaho. That drive between Boise and Pocatello is BRUTAL.

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I wasn't the biggest Howell fan, but the guy was leading the NFL mid-season in yards until the wheels came off. This was another steal by the Seahawks in terms of value, they don't have the ammo to reach the top 3 and Howell did show he could be an NFL QB while on a rookie deal. 

 

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know if the math per that chart value is correct but if it is it's safe to just disregard that value chart moving forward. In no universe would you be able to trade 102 + 179 + 199 for 78 and 152.

Using the standard trade chart you'd land at a 70ish point difference, the equivalent of a mid-4th.

*Okay, went and looked at that draft value chart and didn't bother doing the math because the chart is laughably absurd. According to that chart you could trade up from #32 to #22 in the 1st round simply by tossing in the last pick of the draft. It wildly overvalues late round picks. That chart is trash.

 

2 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Tells you what the NFL thinks of Howell 

 

2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

So he dropped in value after playing a year?

 

2 hours ago, Leaky_Faucet said:

So according to the "Fitzgerald-Spielberger Trade Value Chart" they had Sam Howell valued at 199 points. Basically the value of pick 251 (late 7th) in the draft. 

Just food for thought from someone who knows..that makes sense.

https://landryfootball.com/explaining-draft-trade-charts-read-online-bogus-free/

"Essentially, the chart attempts to quantify the value of each pick, with the No. 1 pick valued at 3,000 points, the No. 10 pick at 1,300 points and just 100 points for the No. 100 pick.

Want to trade from No. 10 to No. 8? Well, the No. 8 pick is worth 1,400 points and No. 10 is worth 1,300 points so an early fourth-round pick worth about 100 points should do the trick.

"The problem with this is that draft picks by themselves are USELESS. It’s the player you can acquire with that pick that is USEFUL. For example, saying the first pick is worth 3000 points every year is beyond ridiculous. It is worth as much as the player you can acquire with that pick. From year to year the top pick in the draft is valued differently depending on the quality of the player. The same for the 2,d, 3rd, 5th, 10th, 100th, 250th.

"So, unless trade charts are adjusted each year and take into account how many players you have graded at each level in your draft board, they ae not useful from year to year. If you have 5 players graded 6.9, then the 6th pick value drops much lower than the value between picks/players 4 & 5. Same thing for the number of players given grades correlating to the first round, second round all the way through the seventh round."

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28 minutes ago, top dawg said:

 

 

 

Just food for thought from someone who knows..that makes sense.

https://landryfootball.com/explaining-draft-trade-charts-read-online-bogus-free/

"Essentially, the chart attempts to quantify the value of each pick, with the No. 1 pick valued at 3,000 points, the No. 10 pick at 1,300 points and just 100 points for the No. 100 pick.

Want to trade from No. 10 to No. 8? Well, the No. 8 pick is worth 1,400 points and No. 10 is worth 1,300 points so an early fourth-round pick worth about 100 points should do the trick.

"The problem with this is that draft picks by themselves are USELESS. It’s the player you can acquire with that pick that is USEFUL. For example, saying the first pick is worth 3000 points every year is beyond ridiculous. It is worth as much as the player you can acquire with that pick. From year to year the top pick in the draft is valued differently depending on the quality of the player. The same for the 2,d, 3rd, 5th, 10th, 100th, 250th.

"So, unless trade charts are adjusted each year and take into account how many players you have graded at each level in your draft board, they ae not useful from year to year. If you have 5 players graded 6.9, then the 6th pick value drops much lower than the value between picks/players 4 & 5. Same thing for the number of players given grades correlating to the first round, second round all the way through the seventh round."

Hang on, I re-read this. At first I was reading it as a defense of the initial value chart the other poster used that was wildly off what we see on reality. That was confusing because I was reading it like... I mean, they're basically saying the same thing I am so how in the hell are they defending the idiocy in that other draft value chart??? lol

Draft value charts are rough estimates. Nothing more, nothing less. The standard chart is the standard because year over year it's usually in the ballpark. Likely because most teams are using it as a guideline.

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Both Howell and Fields can be had for peanuts and both showed more than Darnold ever did. This dumbass organization traded a freaking 2nd rounder away and then picked up his option smfh

They better be right about Bryce. Because these are the type of buy low trades for young QB’s I can get behind. The draft is pretty weak QB wise next year so prices for guys like Howell and Fields might not be so cheap next year 

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4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Both Howell and Fields can be had for peanuts and both showed more than Darnold ever did. This dumbass organization traded a freaking 2nd rounder away and then picked up his option smfh

They better be right about Bryce. Because these are the type of buy low trades for young QB’s I can get behind. The draft is pretty weak QB wise next year so prices for guys like Howell and Fields might not be so cheap next year 

It blows my mind how some guys just get opportunity after opportunity after opportunity despite being terrible. It's like front office types liked them as prospects, thought they were going to be good, they look like players, they have the measurables of players, this guy should be a player. So they just get chance after chance after chance because they just won't let reality unseat their prior opinion.

We're kinda seeing it with Bryce right now. The jury is still out they say. If Bryce had been treated like practically every other QB prospect where they get nitpicked to death leading up to the draft the narrative would've been littered with questions about his size about his arm talent, etc. But it was just brushed aside. I've never seen so many red flags just get brushed aside because people had convinced themselves that a guy was special.

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