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Unnecessary Bluntness: Do Panthers already have a draft crush?

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13 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

Making contested catches in college is different than doing it in the NFL.  Most of the best contested catch makers in the NFL didnt really even have to do it much in college because they got open. 

I mean, there was just a Mike Williams thread that went 100 pages.  Mike was doing that in college.  Everyone remembers them winning the title off the Renfrow pick play.  How did they get there? Signature Mike Williams making the same type catches he ended up in the pros being known for.  That was the biggest catch on that game winning drive. Completely covered and going up and making a play. 

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I mean, there was just a Mike Williams thread that went 100 pages.  Mike was doing that in college.  Everyone remembers them winning the title off the Renfrow pick play.  How did they get there? Signature Mike Williams making the same type catches he ended up in the pros.  That was the biggest catch on that game winning drive. Completely covered and going up and making a play. 

@Tr3achis right though. There is a tough transition winning jump balls against college CBs vs NFL.  We flopped on a couple jump ball specialists in Benjamin, TMJ, Jarrett etc… Williams may be solid at it but his health has become an issue in the process. 

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@Tr3achis right though. There is a tough transition winning jump balls against college CBs vs NFL.  We flopped on a couple jump ball specialists in Benjamin, TMJ, Jarrett etc… Williams may be solid at it but his health has become an issue in the process. 

I mean, he wasn't one of the top WRs in all the SEC off just catching jump balls.   

I never got KB.  Just like I don't get the 2 right now at FSU people are talking about. 

and again, I'm talking Leggette at the top of the 3rd round.  Which is a WAY better deal if he is there than Mingo was or a lot of these dudes people talk about at 33.  

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I mean, he wasn't one of the top WRs in all the SEC off just catching jump balls.   

I never got KB.  Just like I don't get the 2 right now at FSU people are talking about. 

and again, I'm talking Leggette at the top of the 3rd round.  Which is a WAY better deal if he is there than Mingo was or a lot of these dudes people talk about at 33.  

Top of the 3rd is good value. I would prefer other options at 33 and 39, but I’m not against him. He seems to have good explosiveness after the catch which is something we desperately need. Our guys now just fall over after they catch the ball. 

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I've looked at his catches. He absolutely does get open, even on some of the jump ball catches. Those aren't easy. But he's more than a jump ball guy. And this is not to say that he doesn't need polish, but he can absolutely get open. He just needs more consistency and to be coached up.

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I mean, there was just a Mike Williams thread that went 100 pages.  Mike was doing that in college.  Everyone remembers them winning the title off the Renfrow pick play.  How did they get there? Signature Mike Williams making the same type catches he ended up in the pros being known for.  That was the biggest catch on that game winning drive. Completely covered and going up and making a play. 

It just seems to me thats what we always try to prioritize instead of just receivers who run good routes and get open, and it's basically never worked. 

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I 100% think we are targeting him at 33 or 39 

We do not have an X WR in this offense, I think they like his physical build and production and believe he is an ascending player. 

I don't hate the idea but I do hate locking into one guy predraft. You can have your guys, but if a top talent falls you can't pass on that to draft him 

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Like i said im with drafting him if available, i would like to get him a lil later but that can be a gamble so im find if they take him at 33. I get all the measurables and everything but he also passes the eye test and he is clearly a better player than mingo coming out. If im wrong down the road then im just wrong and will admit it. I dont make excuses like others.

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1 hour ago, top dawg said:

I've looked at his catches. He absolutely does get open, even on some of the jump ball catches. Those aren't easy. But he's more than a jump ball guy. And this is not to say that he doesn't need polish, but he can absolutely get open. He just needs more consistency and to be coached up.

agreed. he's got some rawness to him, but he's also got a lot of natural talent. he doesn't just fight for the ball, he gets it. and when he has that ball in his hand he's just as tough to bring down. plus,  he's got some hustle to him. 

he's just exciting to watch. he makes it fun and we need that.

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2 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

It just seems to me thats what we always try to prioritize instead of just receivers who run good routes and get open, and it's basically never worked. 

I mean, he is raw and is currently developing at a pretty significant rate.   So to me, he just doesn't compare to a Mingo.   They just were on two different projectories in college and coming into the draft. 

I mean, I want Mitchell, Ladd, the Texans boys, etc. at 33rd.  My Leggette talk is about getting him on a double dip in the 3rd.  If someone wants to draft him before that, so be it.   There is always a team, sometimes us, that over drafts someone out of need.  I just think WRs could fall in this one given how many good prospects their are. 

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