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The Offense and its Impact on Bryce Young and the WR(s) we draft


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4 hours ago, Stingray3030 said:

Worst OLine in the league paired with worst WR core in the league paired with below average TE receiving group paired with below average RB receivers paired with an outdated scheme paired with horrendous team culture.  Our offense as a whole was probably worse than the top 25 in the NCAA last year....not exaggerating.  It isn't excuses it is facts....data, results, eye test all confirm.

Bryce could very well be the problem - but you would never know based on last season because he had offensively the worst situation I have ever heard of any quarterback walking into.  Seriously look at the last 5-10 years of top 10 picked QB's and find me an equivalent....I would bet it is next to impossible.

That said we have improved our OLine tremendously on paper, improved our WR room by 1 significant piece, hopefully improved our scheme and culture tremendously - TE, RB, and WR still need major work to even be average weapons in the passing game.  If we hit well on a WR and TE we will know for sure who Bryce is gonna be and what his potential is.  Is he Tua or is he prime Russ?  No matter what we have to hit consistently in drafts going forward - in all aspects - that is what has held this team down for a decade or more.

I like this guy. 

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9 hours ago, MHS831 said:

 

Really enjoyed reading your thoughts on this.  Agree with pretty much all of it. 

I know it's not cool to still support Bryce,  although my thoughts of him haven't changed in the last year.  This kid is a talented leader.   It would be nice to see an offense that doesn't get him killed, allowing him to not just work, but play to his strengths.  

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A strong running game equates to a balanced attack.  Balanced attacks tend to strike more often then others. 

Despite the league being a pass happy league, a well executed run play is still the most difficult offense play to defend. 

We need that balance.  We need a strong running game. 

 

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36 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

A strong running game equates to a balanced attack.  Balanced attacks tend to strike more often then others. 

Despite the league being a pass happy league, a well executed run play is still the most difficult offense play to defend. 

We need that balance.  We need a strong running game. 

 

We need another JStew.

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6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I can say that the point here was, at least in part, to gauge the type of WR we may pursue.  None of us can change the QB situation and it is doubtful the Panthers will in 2024.  I can say that when Bryce planted his foot and stepped into the throw, he was money. That rarely happened.

Lad McConkey and Ricky Pearsall are perfect for what Canales wants to do. 

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14 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

He's still my favorite Panther RB.  He is.my style of running back.  

Which doesn't necessarily fit today's spread offenses. 

if you could of turned injuries off like in Madden and had him be the featured RB? Stewart likely would be a legit Panther GOAT.  Crazy skill set. 

Despite being built like he could of played in the 80s.....Stewart was also great in a spread offense and modern looks.  Oregon was straight spread and his best season as a Panther was running out of the Cam gun. 

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News Flash, just get DK Metcalf!

This just popped up in my YouTube feed, and I was like WTF?  Bryce's team won the flag football tournament so there's that.  I'm sure many of y'all are going to make the statement "a good place for him" etc.  

But what sticks out to me in the very few parts with Young is if he can find a guy to make a play, he'll find them.  No, this was not NFL football, it was a charity flag football game.  Bryce needs guys who will make plays.  Like most NFL QBs.

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