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Does Bryce have any further excuses for this upcoming year?


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30 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

He has more tools now then Cam had

Not buying that.

Cam had Double Trouble, Smitty, Olsen, and Shockey.

We don't have players that match any of that.

But, yes, I do think Bryce has less room for excuses going into year 2.

 

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Just for the record…

Last year, going into the season….Bryce had an all star coaching staff and folks here said we had a O roster that rivaled the 2003 Super Bowl team around him.  
 

 

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2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Not buying that.

Cam had Double Trouble, Smitty, Olsen, and Shockey.

We don't have players that match any of that.

But, yes, I do think Bryce has less room for excuses going into year 2.

 

Gross, Wharton, and Kalil.  Kalil was HUGE for Cam. 

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28 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Not ready to say that yet.

He was ‘setup for success’ last year too, and we see how that went.

Was he? The guards we trotted out there were practice squad level. AT was the only WR trying. Chuba was the only RB with consistency. And... our offensive coach was playing an outdated offense. Hurst showed up for two games. Not saying Young is the answer but I'm giving him a mulligan. 

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7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Just for the record…

Last year, going into the season….Bryce had an all star coaching staff and folks here said we had a O roster that rivaled the 2003 Super Bowl team around him.  
 

 

How could he complain when HE was the one that looked that bad?  HE needs to be the one proving to everyone he can play in this league. 

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