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1 hour ago, CRA said:

I think fans want the #1 overall pick, who had a rough first year that some exposed issues......to not take his first offseason completely off of football.  

and while Luke is an outlier.  I think Bryce's first NFL offseason given what he is.....probably makes him a bit of one too.   Because I don't think his offseason, is a very common approach by those that have been in his shoes. 

 

There's nothing wrong with getting away from your job on your time off. I know I don't answer work calls or pull out the laptop when I'm on vacation. Looking at him it's obvious he did some strength and conditioning work.

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31 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am gonna guess we aren't gonna see much of BC outside of being a backup, which is really where he will be the most valuable. 

My guess is they believe in that GB FA signing more. 

Ikey has to do the work necessary to be great. For all the people saying he should switch to LG, well he is still going to need to work there too. He needs to figure that stuff sooner rather than later or he is gonna be out of the league a lot more quickly than he realizes.

Talent can't get you there as a pro football player. Only hard work can.

The BC thing was worst case. Seems like he should beat out what an UDFA (I didn't see anyone else thst I can remember) in that scenario where Ickey flops hard again.

100% on the work. That and coaching should get him to decent. I liked the work he did in year 1 but he took a giant step back last year. Hopefully he steps it up big time.

Talent just is a necessity in the NFL just as hard work for success is also.

 

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1 hour ago, The Natural said:

There's nothing wrong with getting away from your job on your time off. I know I don't answer work calls or pull out the laptop when I'm on vacation. Looking at him it's obvious he did some strength and conditioning work.

Right his arms are noticeably bigger. There mare clips or him working with ISM in the gym and throwing passes. People are stuck in their opinions and it’s going to be polarizing until he either plays up to expectations or gets replaced. I mean last offseason he was working with his WRs and it was just a “PR stunt”. It’s like the news, people are going to spin comments/interviews however they need to in order to push their views/agenda. 

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47 minutes ago, The Natural said:

There's nothing wrong with getting away from your job on your time off. I know I don't answer work calls or pull out the laptop when I'm on vacation. Looking at him it's obvious he did some strength and conditioning work.

Luke Kuechly went fishing.  Cam Newton traveled.  Tom Brady went to fancy events.   Bryce Young's answer remains...a bad one.   It's not what you would consider the "norm" answer for someone in his position.  Simple as that.  

Look at his most comparable peer.  What was CJ Stroud doing?  He was organizing throwing sessions and team building with his WRs.   Two QBs clearly wired different.  Both went to bad teams.  Two drastically different results thus far. 

Bryce Young just doesn't display so much of the textbook stuff you are looking from your "franchise QB".   Especially one a team mortgaged their future on.  

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4 hours ago, CRA said:

I think fans want the #1 overall pick, who had a rough first year that some exposed issues......to not take his first offseason completely off of football.  

and while Luke is an outlier.  I think Bryce's first NFL offseason given what he is.....probably makes him a bit of one too.   Because I don't think his offseason, is a very common approach by those that have been in his shoes. 

 

Yet, he looks like he has attacked the gym. He assimilated what he can. 

Yet all i see is more pitching. 

Seems like it can be backed off at least until regular season, but I know it won't.  

The huddle isn't ever happy. 

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4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I predict that he won't be the only question mark on this OL.

I am rather skeptical of that unit overhaul.

The complete lack of an actual 1st or 2nd string center is going to bite them in the backside early and often. Depending on a guy that's never played center other than some practice snaps and maybe a few series in preseason games is just asking for trouble. There's a reason no other coach has played Corbett at center during a game in college or the NFL and that's because he's not good enough despite being "too smart" to play guard or tackle.

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7 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

The complete lack of an actual 1st or 2nd string center is going to bite them in the backside early and often. Depending on a guy that's never played center other than some practice snaps and maybe a few series in preseason games is just asking for trouble. There's a reason no other coach has played Corbett at center during a game in college or the NFL and that's because he's not good enough despite being "too smart" to play guard or tackle.

team boasts about fixing the interior OL

same team doesn't have an actual NFL C on the roster

Seems about right.   

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5 hours ago, CRA said:

I think fans want the #1 overall pick, who had a rough first year that some exposed issues......to not take his first offseason completely off of football.  

and while Luke is an outlier.  I think Bryce's first NFL offseason given what he is.....probably makes him a bit of one too.   Because I don't think his offseason, is a very common approach by those that have been in his shoes. 

 

I think what needs to be understood is that for a player like bryce he needs to put in as much work as possible to be a success in the league. He isnt just another typical player with all the disadvantages he has but it sounds he sees himself the same as everybody else. If that was truly forreal he would have competed at the combine with all the other prospects in my opinion. If he doesnt think he needs to work that much harder than everybody else just to be a success in the pros that would be concerning. 

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Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

I think what needs to be understood is that for a player like bryce he needs to put in as much work as possible to be a success in the league. He isnt just another typical player with all the disadvantages he has but it sounds he sees himself the same as everybody else. If that was truly forreal he would have competed at the combine with all the other prospects in my opinion. If he doesnt think he needs to work that much harder than everybody else just to be a success in the pros that would be concerning. 

Julian Edelman literally traveled around the country so that he could make any throw sessions Brady would have in the offseason.  He wanted to even be able to catch the quicker and impromptu ones. 

CJ Stroud has been with his WRs all offseason doing stuff and holding throwing sessions. 

I mean, the norm is the norm.  Bryce talking about being a loner and unplugging all offseason from football just isn't what you typically hear and see from elite NFL QBs. 

 

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3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Julian Edelman literally traveled around the country so that he could make any throw sessions Brady would have in the offseason.  He wanted to even be able to catch the quicker and impromptu ones. 

CJ Stroud has been with his WRs all offseason doing stuff and holding throwing sessions. 

I mean, the norm is the norm.  Bryce talking about being a loner and unplugging all offseason from football just isn't what you typically hear and see from elite NFL QBs. 

 

The CJ Stroud throwing session thing? Where did you find this?

I’ve seen him throwing with Diggs and his WRs that one day where they were invited to play with that Madden video streamer.  I also see where the first thing Stroud said he would do is take some time off. I keep seeing this being posted so I’m assuming I’m missing something? 
 

"First, I'm going to relax," Stroud said. "Take some time off. I've been going hard since I was like 12 years old. AAU tournaments, baseball, football, 7-on-7, high school, a ton of sports being played. It's been a blessing. It's been a ball. I'm 22 years old, and this is my first time ever having freedom away from school, away from college. So I'm excited. But at the same time, just like I'm ready to relax, I'm ready to get back to work, too. But I have to take some time to myself. It's just the right thing to do."

Quarterback Case Keenum, who just completed his 12th NFL season, said a mental "recharge" and unwinding a bit is of the utmost importance. Especially in regards to the gauntlet Stroud just completed over the last 18 months or so.

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    • CRA
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By CRA · Posted

      I don't need that many words to say Bryce Young has not yet surpassed the caliber of QB play that current Joe Flacco represents.   I have watched every game Bryce has played.  He doesn't give you average QB play.   He can't make a ton of throws.  Bryce is consistent overall in what he is.  You can take outlier games on both ends of the spectrum out of play and judge him or any QB.....for Bryce it is unquestioned bottom of the league play.  All you have to do is watch the two play.  Flacco is good enough that if you can keep up right and give him time.....he presents a level of play Bryce can't do as a passer  
    • ForJimmy
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By ForJimmy · Posted

      Not sure.  Which ones have more GWDs in the same time frame?
    • MasterAwesome
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By MasterAwesome · Posted

      You kinda gloss over this, but this is really at the crux of this whole argument....which Flacco are we talking here?  You bring up that he played with 3 different teams but ignore the fact that his performance varied quite a bit from team to team. 2024 Colts: 65.3% completion, 12 TDs, 7 INTs, 220.1 YPG, 7.1 Y/A, 90.5 rating 2025 Browns: 58.1% completion, 2 TDs, 6 INTs, 203.8 YPG, 5.1 Y/A, 60.3 rating 2025 Bengals: 63.4% completion, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 290.6 YPG, 6.8 Y/A, 96.2 rating 2025 Flacco (Browns + Bengals): 61.1% completion, 14 TDs, 9 INTs, 252.0 YPG, 6.1 Y/A, 80.8 rating vs. 2025 Bryce: 62.7% completion, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 196.2 YPG, 6.2 Y/A, 86.0 rating I bolded the comparison that I think objectively makes the most sense...just simply comparing the two QBs for the entire season.  Otherwise you'd be cherry-picking Flacco's time with the Bengals and ignoring his earlier stint with the Browns, which sounds an awful lot like people cherry-picking Bryce's stats in the second half of last season. So again, which Flacco?  Basically the only thing consistent with Flacco across each of these teams was his W/L records: 2-4, 1-3, and 1-4 respectively.  I'd say if we're comparing each version of him to Bryce this year: Colts Flacco > 2025 Bryce, Browns Flacco <<< 2025 Bryce, Bengals Flacco >> 2025 Bryce, and 2025 Flacco < 2025 Bryce - Flacco this year only beats out Bryce on YPG but in part because he throws significantly more passes (almost 60 YPG more than Bryce, despite a lower Y/A which is pretty telling) .  Flacco is maybe the most apt case study about how important a QB's circumstances are to his success.  He was easily a bottom 3 QB in Cleveland and arguably top 10-15 in Cincinnati...and we're talking about the same player from the same season.  All that happened was taking him from one team and plopping him onto another team; nothing inherently changed about him as a QB.  Funny enough I think that's all that one dude on here was trying to say when he made that long poorly-received post after having an epiphany working for PFF behind the scenes or w/e.  That it's largely short-sighted to just try to evaluate QBs in a vacuum when there are so many variables at play that ultimately decide whether a QB is successful or not.   I think Bryce has been mediocre at best this season and I'm ready to move on regardless of how he ends this season - I'm highly skeptical a strong end to the season will carry over into next year considering how last year ended and this year began.  I would certainly agree that he's a bottom-third QB this year.  I just don't understand you scoffing indignantly at anyone holding the opinion that Bryce has had a better season than Flacco...I can only assume it's recency bias.  Or maybe you know the stats don't support you, which is why you're conjuring up the god-forsaken arbitrary "eyeball test" which is the kinda thing people in here were saying about Fields for years, pinky promising that he really truly was a franchise QB despite his awful stats.  Perhaps it's called the eyeball test because I roll my eyes anytime I hear someone bring it up seriously as an argument.
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