Bill Barnwell defends Bryce's benching with some horrific stats

[Dorian Gray]

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Had Young been struggling in 2024 the same way he had been in 2023, I would argue the Panthers should have given him more time. That just wasn't the case. He has been much worse. His raw numbers are abysmal and even they are inflated by garbage time, where Carolina has spent most of the second half of its games. His lone touchdown drive through two games came when trailing by 34 points in the third quarter against the Saints in the opener.

In 2023, when the Panthers had at least a 10% chance of winning their games per ESPN's win probability metric, Young's 34.3 QBR and 4.2 yards per dropback were the worst marks in the league for qualifying quarterbacks. In 2024, in those same situations, he has a 1.4 QBR and is averaging 1.1 yards per dropback. While acknowledging it's only a two-week sample, nobody has played that poorly in non-garbage time situations over any sort of extended period of time. The only passer with a sub-20 QBR in those situations who qualified for a passing title was, of all people, former Panthers draftee Jimmy Clausen in 2010.

 

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There's a two-play sequence in the third quarter of last Sunday's loss to the Chargers that might have convinced coach Dave Canales it was time for a change. With the game already out of hand, the goal was likely to find Young some confidence-boosting completions. It didn't happen. On a second-and-7, Canales called for a boot concept to the left side of the field, with three receivers flooding the same side to give Young a half-field read. He successfully exited the pocket and escaped the unblocked rusher, but he didn't set his feet before throwing, and his pass to a wide-open Diontae Johnson missed badly.

On the next snap, Young worked to the left side of the field and found nobody open. With the opportunity to climb into the pocket and try to make a play, he exited the left side of the pocket, where pass rusher Joey Bosa was able to chase him down for a sack. Veteran receiver Adam Thielen, believing he was open for what would have been a long completion, visibly signaled his frustration at the end of the play.

 

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His longest completion on Sunday was 11 yards downfield. He is 3-of-9 for 85 yards with two interceptions and a league-low QBR of 0.2 when throwing 15-plus yards downfield this season. 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/41312459/bryce-young-nfl-future-trade-value-options-panthers-worst-draft-pick-trade

 

Some damning stuff in there.

[csx]

He's not a victim. He is awful.

[frankw]

Appreciate Barnwell for bringing much needed information to people that have no idea what's actually been going on with the situation.

[PleaseCutStewart]

24 minutes ago, Dorian Gray said:

 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/41312459/bryce-young-nfl-future-trade-value-options-panthers-worst-draft-pick-trade

 

Some damning stuff in there.

So it's as I feared... He is actually worse than pickles...

[Waldo]

.2 QBR throwing over 15 plus yards. That is so bad. Sub Clausen and people still act like he is going to turn it around. Darnold and Baker were never that bad.

[PleaseCutStewart]

Lol, a QBR rating of 0.2 on throws of 15+ yards down field! Holy crap that is awful - he is literally only 0.2 points betters than all of us on the huddle who probably struggle to beat Madden on rookie difficulty

[TD alt]

It's a breath of fresh air compared to the largely mindless drivel that other talking heads have spewed about "poor Bryce." 

[PantherExpress]

40 minutes ago, Dorian Gray said:

 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/41312459/bryce-young-nfl-future-trade-value-options-panthers-worst-draft-pick-trade

 

Some damning stuff in there.

[Jay Roosevelt]

You know, as bad as he was last year, he really HAS been so much worse this year. It makes me think there's something else going on here beyond just typical regression.

You have to remember his best game last year was on Christmas Eve and everything since has been a complete disaster. 

[Manna]

It's even worse when you attach numbers to what we've seen for 18 games. For folks who factor in analytics and stuff...the analytics say that benching Bryce is the right move. 

[Johnstonny]

48 minutes ago, Manna said:

It's even worse when you attach numbers to what we've seen for 18 games. For folks who factor in analytics and stuff...the analytics say that benching Bryce is the right move. 

Analytics say you  dont draft a 5'10" 180 pounder either...a Heisman to boot....Two points that are the kiss of death.  But Dipper is the smartest man in the room and will override that sht...I don't think Bryce had much of a chance here but coming to the Dipper hotel sealed his fate...and I really don't think Bryce has the balls to change it...

Edited September 19, 2024 by Johnstonny

[NorthTryon]

This backlash has truly been sad and was part of the reason I believe Bryce was drafted in the first place. He was small and looked like a kid and everybody just loved that he was also good at football. Once I heard CJ Stroud talking on his podcast tour this summer, I was like well that is the reason he isn't here. I remember the hatred for Cam that basically arose out of him being a massive, confident, black man. Every time a new broadcast crew met him during warmups the telecast was just about how larger than life he was. I even had a friend who is close to Cam's size talk about him sucking the air out of every room goes into like being big, loud, and confident is a bad thing. And many here along with the media never showed any sympathy, empathy, or a second thought to the shite Cam had to put up with while here. Till this day it is either about the stupid fumble that didn't matter that he didn't jump on, or that he only had like one good year. 

So to see this crazy backlash from the sports and social media regarding Canales benching a small, weak, entitled, non verbal QB who is playing terrible, struggling to recognize defenses, missing open WRs, and leaving clean pockets is mind blowing! Only Chase Daniels watched the film before talking this week. Everyone else used it as an opportunity pine for Bryce and crap on organization. Again, I hope someone is dumb enough to give us Josh Rosen compensation for him. 

[Johnstonny]

Like was Bryce not aware of these stats? Like 2-15 wasn't enough?

[frankw]

31 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

This backlash has truly been sad and was part of the reason I believe Bryce was drafted in the first place. He was small and looked like a kid and everybody just loved that he was also good at football. Once I heard CJ Stroud talking on his podcast tour this summer, I was like well that is the reason he isn't here. I remember the hatred for Cam that basically arose out of him being a massive, confident, black man. Every time a new broadcast crew met him during warmups the telecast was just about how larger than life he was. I even had a friend who is close to Cam's size talk about him sucking the air out of every room goes into like being big, loud, and confident is a bad thing. And many here along with the media never showed any sympathy, empathy, or a second thought to the shite Cam had to put up with while here. Till this day it is either about the stupid fumble that didn't matter that he didn't jump on, or that he only had like one good year. 

So to see this crazy backlash from the sports and social media regarding Canales benching a small, weak, entitled, non verbal QB who is playing terrible, struggling to recognize defenses, missing open WRs, and leaving clean pockets is mind blowing! Only Chase Daniels watched the film before talking this week. Everyone else used it as an opportunity pine for Bryce and crap on organization. Again, I hope someone is dumb enough to give us Josh Rosen compensation for him. 

10/10 post right here