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Not sure how being bottom 10 in passing justifies so much confidence..

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Stats absolutely don't tell the full story. All passes are not the same. Bryce is actually making some high difficulty plays. The scramble out of his own end zone to hit XL for 30+ yards last Sunday is not the same as a WR running open 30 yards down the field and you just toss it to him. Very different levels of difficulty. 

And the drops... All drops are not the same. WRs occassionally lose concentration on routine plays. That happens. It's understandable when you do something so often that it becomes second nature - until you screw it up by not finishing. So, I wouldn't even bring up the 5 - 10 yards drops in the middle of a drive. I'm identifying the dropped TDs (I can remember 3 off the top of my head to Tremble, Thielen and Moore), and deep passes, and even an interception that was a perfectly placed deep pass that the DB took out of XL's hands. He literally had both hands on the ball and the DB took it from him as he went to secure it, and that counted as an interception on the QB. The yards or the strip don't show up unless you watch the game. Stats tell a story. Just not a complete one. 

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On 12/9/2024 at 5:02 PM, Champagnepapi704 said:

Improvement...yes

Enough to justify a #1 pick..ehhhh

Franchise QB...

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Bryce is playing better but his better is still bottom of the nfl.  With that said he could continue to improve and become a very good nfl qb something I never thought I would have said.  Bryce has so many supporters though people sing him praises for just not being awful.  I also never thought I would have said this but I think this year panthers should trade down for more pics and draft everything but a qb and if bryce fails next year move on.  

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19 hours ago, fanpanther said:

Bryce is playing better but his better is still bottom of the nfl.  With that said he could continue to improve and become a very good nfl qb something I never thought I would have said.  Bryce has so many supporters though people sing him praises for just not being awful.  I also never thought I would have said this but I think this year panthers should trade down for more pics and draft everything but a qb and if bryce fails next year move on.  

He is not bottom of the NFL right now. He's probably somewhere in the top half right now taking everything into consideration. 

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The type of throws Bryce is now making are those you see mostly from the top 10 QBs in the league. The numbers, however, aren't there yet for a few reasons.

- Bryce is still learning the game. He literally went from looking completely lost to showing off first round pick draft pick plays within a span of a season. Just getting to where he is now was a herculean effort that you rarely see. For now, priority should be sustaining what we have now as opponents will certainly try to counter.

- Canales is having to figure out how to handle this resurgence on the fly. Personally, I think without Dalton's car accident, Bryce wasn't going to see the field again this season. Whatever ideas he had with the offense under Dalton are out the window.

- Bryce doesn't have the supporting cast necessary to put up top 10 numbers. If you want a comparison with someone else, look at Mahomes stats and how they've gone from top of the league to almost out of the top 10 today. He also only has one reliable but aging target in Kelce, a rookie WR, a bunch of other bodies who scare nobody and arguably worse protection. You can't ask Bryce to throw up video game numbers right now much like you can't ask Mahomes of today to match Joe Burrow's numbers. 

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QB1 is also just more comfortable and knowledgeable of the offense. He understands where everyone is supposed to be. He sees his escapes and outs because he knows the offense better. Remember when he used to do play action fakes to the wrong side? He would be faking a hand off to the left and the running back would be going to the right. That's why he needed to sit. I think he owns the playcalls now rather than trying to figure it out on the fly. The game is too fast for that.

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8 hours ago, Navy_football said:

He is not bottom of the NFL right now. He's probably somewhere in the top half right now taking everything into consideration. 

He is 26th in qbr for nfl for the year and 24th in qbr if u look at just last weeks game. He is playing better but still bottom of nfl.  

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The objectivity on this board has gone. Bryce is playing much, much, better as of late, but he has still had more bad games than good. Yet, I see people who are apprehensive and critique or criticize him, get poo'ed. Meanwhile, the actual rookie who had a rough game and obviously needs an ENTIRE offseason in a NFL S&C program, with Juggs machine therapy, is literally being memed and deemed a bust, already. 

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1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

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For anyone curious his new passer rating puts him right between Aiden O'Connell and Andy Dalton.

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I'm happy he's improving but maybe we should keep things in perspective here.

O'Connell just had a game so ugly he got benched for Desmond Ridder. Andy Dalton was so bad we had to go back to Bryce. I mean to consider this is as good news for our first overall pick is a very low bar even for this franchise.

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