Would you trade Ickey

[DeAngelo Beason]

Blocking scheme was pretty bad.  I wouldn't put it all on Ickey.  No one in the NFL would succeed left on an island like he was yesterday.

[Eazy-E]

He’s still 24 ffs. You guys are acting like he’s a  6+ year vet who hasn’t improved at all since he was drafted.

We need a damn center worth a poo who can command and control the line of scrimmage. They’re literally the anchor of the offensive line. 

[jayboogieman]

Personally, there's not a single player on the roster I wouldn't trade for the right price. As for the team, there's a few that they most likely consider untouchable because of contract(Brown, the guards) and/or because they're rookies or on rookie deals still.

[Panthering]

No.

[SmokinwithWilly]

38 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

He’s still 24 ffs. You guys are acting like he’s a  6+ year vet who hasn’t improved at all since he was drafted.

We need a damn center worth a poo who can command and control the line of scrimmage. They’re literally the anchor of the offensive line. 

It's not a knock on Icky. It's just recognizing what he does and doesn't do well vs potential costs to keep him. Icky is best driving forward pushing guys. He has a strong anchor and the power to shove guys out of the way. His lateral movement and quickness aren't nearly as strong. To pass block, you have to have quick feet and balance and that isn't Icky, at least right now. 

 

[ProcessBlue2]

2 hours ago, SCO96 said:

Your idea could necessitate finding a solid LT this off-season in the draft or via free agency...and solid LT's don't grow on trees.

I bring you Will Campbell, projected Top 10 pick. 

[Aussie Tank]

The side has way too many holes already to trade away serviceable players at premium positions at the moment. He's played pretty well this year. The man needs to reach out to Joe Thomas and Trent Williams though 

[NorthTryon]

2 hours ago, Panthering said:

No.

I second.

[pantherj]

It's an odd situation because he's not great, but he is serviceable and you can help him out with the scheme and chipping. Just don't give him a mega deal and he can stay. Let him test the market if he's not happy. 

[Gapanthersfan]

If he still needs significant help in his pass blocking midway through next season, do the panthers risk paying him LT market value, hoping he continues to improve? Laying starting LT money on a player who is in the ‘still improving’ category is a big gamble. 
 

If the panthers don’t throw a really juicy contract at him, another desperate GM will take a flier on him and he’ll be gone. I’m not big on a 5th year option and I’m really not big on franchise tag. 

In a way, it’s a similar situation to how it went down with burns. Measurables are there in a guy you’ve waited on for 4 years. Now all of a sudden, they’ve waited too long and are playing a lose lose hand. As with Burns, there’s always someone willing to over pay. Panthers turned down 2 firsts, Burns then dogs it bad, and they have to take what could get from the Giants… and surprise, Burns is who he is. 

So what do they do with this dude? Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy, but unless they have an absolute stud at LT, Bryce will never flourish. Will Ickey turn in to the pass protecting stud this team and Bryce desperately need?

[BEASTfromdaEAST]

This fn fan base never amazes me. With a roster void of talent they're willing to trade anyone with a hint of talent.

Is he the best LT in the game? NO but for fug sakes he is a good young OL that could be used in the RT if Moton walks......STOP TRADING AWAY TALENT FOR PEANUTS!!!!

[cmichd08]

11 hours ago, Gapanthersfan said:

This is not a rash snap to judgement. It’s something I’ve thought about for a while. 

The day will come when we have to make a decision. We either bust open the piggy bank, we trade him, or we panthers it up, he walks in free agency and we get $0.

this is the crux for me: Is he worth more as a backup LT or as trade bait. Do you crack open the piggy bank for a mauler that still sucks against speed rushers, or do you let that be someone else’s problem? Do you keep telling yourself it’ll be better next season? What if he’s the reason your franchise QB has to miss 3 games due to injury? Would he do a disappearing act after cashing in on his second contract? 

His knock on handling speed was noted even at his time at NC State. If it was going to get better, wouldn’t it have done so by now? It has been a pattern over and over again. After a while, you are what you are. Having to constantly roll help to his side shouldn’t be needed so frequently. 

Playoff teams will have speed rushers. It’s how they got there. Ickey will get his lunch money taken. 

We need to draft a stud LT early. Ickey would make a good guard, but we’ve got that one locked up already. Center is a nope… so this leaves him as a backup if/when we find our true franchise LT. he won’t want backup $. 

We could move him to Right Tackle since Morton is getting older. At least Bryce could see it coming if he gets blown away by the R side edge rusher. In the 3 years he has been here. he had a decent rookie year. A bad 2nd year and this year we see he still can't contain a decent speed rusher on Bryce's blind side.

[ProcessBlue2]

2 hours ago, pantherj said:

It's an odd situation because he's not great, but he is serviceable and you can help him out with the scheme and chipping. Just don't give him a mega deal and he can stay. Let him test the market if he's not happy. 

Only downside is then you get nothing. Now, there is plenty of time when he's on a 5th year and Franchise tag, etc to bridge that gap though.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

This fn fan base never amazes me. With a roster void of talent they're willing to trade anyone with a hint of talent.

Is he the best LT in the game? NO but for fug sakes he is a good young OL that could be used in the RT if Moton walks......STOP TRADING AWAY TALENT FOR PEANUTS!!!!

It all depends on the contract he wants or may ask for. The team can't afford to sink top tier LT money into Icky because he's not that guy. After signing 2 guards to big contracts, Moton's contract, a possible BC contract this off season, there's only so much left to pay him. If was all pro caliber like a Sewell or Slater, you don't hesitate. But he's not and it becomes a valid question. If the Jets or Jags came calling offering a 2nd rounder for Icky, do you take it? 

I'd say he's more suited to slide inside where his power would be better suited to hide his lateral mobility, but again, we already spent on 2 guards and you can't pay him tackle money to play inside. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how we can best allocate $$$ and put players in the best position to be successful.